The fact that they would rather believe this community is on a several years long маскировка op merely pretending to be leftist rather than engage in a minimal effort at self-reflection is mind-boggling. I understand that we are dealing with the most propagandized population to have ever walked the Earth, but it’s still stunning to actually encounter the phenomenon in real time instead of just reading up on the abstract concept.

I’m certainly not getting any wiser going through these conversations on repeat and I don’t think anyone else is, either.

I bet a lot of lurkers are, including me.

I wish more of our team would disengage.

I wish for the opposite. It’s always funny to watch these people fume and sputter when they are faced with dissent instead of the clapping seals they’re used to. And I do learn a lot from what hexbears and lemmygradians say even when they’re talking to someone unwilling to be educated.

whataboutism

I’m incredibly grateful to my comrades in the posting pits. I’ve read so many beautifully written informative posts, and my reading backlog has expanded considerably with all the book recommendations. So even if those nerds aren’t responsive, those posts aren’t just dumped into a void.

I don’t enjoy debating myself, I love watching y’all engage. The real time implosion of lib brains is gold

“As revolutionaries, we don’t have the right to say we are tired of explaining. We must never stop explaining. We know that when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us.”

If it sucks for you, don’t do it, or take a break. But the first step in getting anything done is getting people on our side, and that takes effort and attention.

Plenty of minds have changed based on what they read online the last several years. Those “I’m a leftist, but” people who are frustratingly close are exactly who we want to be talking to, because even if they don’t appear as such, they’re really just one or two realizations away, and they’re the most likely to consider what we have to say.

That’s why I’m not pro debate. I’m very mind dulling and tiresome to see the exact thing over and over.

They keep yelling “sovereignty” like it’s a magic word and they think it means something.

Where was their support for european sovereignty when the US blew up Nordstream 2?

I was initially optimistic about being reach out to people. But within like 5 minutes of dealing with them, that all deflated and the reason why is one of those “I should’ve known” reason that’s hiding at plain sight. It boils down to the fact that they are mostly Ledditors. A Ledditor has a very specific profile:

1. They use Reddit enough that they’ll actively search for a third-party app and get mad when that third-party app is taken away from them. Most people would just use the official app or not care enough to quit Reddit over a third-party app.

2. They use Reddit enough that they know who Spez and have a strong opinion about Spez. Most people don’t know who the fuck Spez is because Spez is a nobody.

3. They use Reddit enough that they choose to dive into a Reddit clone instead of just moving on to another social media site like Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and so on.

All this is to say your Ledditor’s brain has long since been completed melted by repeated Reddit use. They’re the ones who unironically say and upvote every single tired Redditism (Thanks for the gold, stranger, upvotes to the left, I did Nazi that coming) that are a decade old at this point, completely indistinguishable from a bot.

Ledditors act more like Redditors than your average Redditor. That’s how fucking bad they are.

And since your Ledditor is more Redditor than your average Redditor, the completely trash opinions that comes with your stereotypical Redditor (basically parroting the US state department) is with them as well. It’s stronger with them if anything.

However, not all Lemmy users are Ledditors and not all Reddit refugees are Ledditors either. We have to find them and reach out to them. But Ledditors? They’re just dunk tank fodder as far as I’m concerned.

When Westernposting is indistinguishable from fedposting, you know the propaganda has run it’s course

Take breaks and remember that sometimes it’s better (as in better for you, but also sometimes more effective rhetorically) to just poke fun rather than go through some elaborate argument with some lib who might not even listen.

:yea: i have just started blocking instead

It’s because they’re getting used by the same pool of users across instances. Remember though, if we comment on news in another instance it’s brigading. Only they are allowed to comment on news outside of their instance

They have such similar and exhausting smug passive-aggressive delivery styles, believe so much of the same liberal propaganda, and argue using the same sophistic tactics.

Why are libs like this?

Have you been to r/politics lately? I honestly don’t understand why libs keep up with politics. They have been pointing out hypocrisy. Shouting rules are being broken,. Acting as though either actually accomplished anything. And surprise pikachu face when nothing comes of it. Forgets about it a day or two later. Then the cycle starts up again.

You’d think they all suffered some sort of brain damage with how quickly they forget.

They still have layers to unpack. I remember years ago I thought I was as left as could be online because I was browsing “progressive” subreddits and had liberal views, then I noticed that people kept parroting the same idealistic, vibes based sentiments about everything. This journey of self-reflection led me to ML and finally have strong confidence in assessing matters for what they are instead of the media diet you mentioned