As a Star Trek guy who is frustrated by what Vulcans refer to as Logic, and where the idea that being logical had anything to do with suppressing emotions or just ignoring a lot of complexities of what Logic even is and boiling it down to basically being very very very stern and stoic has had some weird fucking consequences.
Also Rocco’s Basslick is stupid cause computers don’t work that way and we could just like, unplug it. Computers are machines, how would a skynet or whatever get the structures built to put everyone in a simulation or whatever? Things just don’t work that way.
Agreed on the culture around logic and rationality! A lot of reductionism and weird fucking consequences.
I had to overcome/deprogram some of that bias when I was young. Ironically I came to that conclusion by simply trying to be consistent in my rationalism and grounding it in my lived experience, which exposed many of my contradictions.
Rocco’s Basslick: Of course the argument is that this occurs when technology has developed so far that we can’t just unplug it anymore, but that really goes to show how much extrapolation and how many assumptions you have to make just to participate in a conversation about it - and that, of course, is the trap: You have to leave rationality at the door in order to play the rationalist’s game. They act like the more speculative a situation is the more certain we can be about it, when clearly the opposite is true.
I can see this bullshit for what it is probably better cause I flew sorta close to that sun. I was never not kn the left but I did hang out with a bunch of gen x hippies who were into Robert Anton Wilson and that sorta nonsense which is the initial spark that all of this nonsense sprang from. That’s more the acid tech bro angle, but the logic bro angle comes on hard as well. If you’ve listened to the TruAnnom masterpiece The Game, the earlier episodes about Synanon (which Leonard Nimoy attended often before it got too culty) and the general ideas behind the games and the psychology behind the psychology they were peddling wasn’t uncommon ar the time and has had major ramifications. There was this boomer idea of enlightened rationalism that came from acid, misunderstood eastern religious stuff via the Beatles and the rise of computers that turned a lot of people into the most rapcious freaks to slither this earth. We’re all part of the Manson family fulfilling an acid ruled dream of race war cause we live in a world imagined by people who were like Phillip K Dick, read Phillip K Dick and in their cocain and acid addled minds decided his vision was positive. Gene himself exemplified this boomer perversion, he was a sex freak weirdo who bought into his own bullshit. These people need to be stopped and their ideas destroyed, full stop.
My favorite thing about vulcans is they’re like “we are very logical, logic logic logic” and everyone is like “they’re so smart and logical” but because tv writers are dumb they’re basically just super racist radlibs
That and the Libertsrianification of the series post roddenberry are both topics I really wanna dig into and do a big giant write up on but the homework is massive and ultimately about a silly TV show. It could be kinda worthwhile and fun but everyone is doing book reports at the same time and I sorta feel my time is better spent on real shit and it’s hard to squeeze in silly research.
As a Star Trek guy who is frustrated by what Vulcans refer to as Logic, and where the idea that being logical had anything to do with suppressing emotions or just ignoring a lot of complexities of what Logic even is and boiling it down to basically being very very very stern and stoic has had some weird fucking consequences.
Also Rocco’s Basslick is stupid cause computers don’t work that way and we could just like, unplug it. Computers are machines, how would a skynet or whatever get the structures built to put everyone in a simulation or whatever? Things just don’t work that way.
Agreed on the culture around logic and rationality! A lot of reductionism and weird fucking consequences.
I had to overcome/deprogram some of that bias when I was young. Ironically I came to that conclusion by simply trying to be consistent in my rationalism and grounding it in my lived experience, which exposed many of my contradictions.
Rocco’s Basslick: Of course the argument is that this occurs when technology has developed so far that we can’t just unplug it anymore, but that really goes to show how much extrapolation and how many assumptions you have to make just to participate in a conversation about it - and that, of course, is the trap: You have to leave rationality at the door in order to play the rationalist’s game. They act like the more speculative a situation is the more certain we can be about it, when clearly the opposite is true.
I can see this bullshit for what it is probably better cause I flew sorta close to that sun. I was never not kn the left but I did hang out with a bunch of gen x hippies who were into Robert Anton Wilson and that sorta nonsense which is the initial spark that all of this nonsense sprang from. That’s more the acid tech bro angle, but the logic bro angle comes on hard as well. If you’ve listened to the TruAnnom masterpiece The Game, the earlier episodes about Synanon (which Leonard Nimoy attended often before it got too culty) and the general ideas behind the games and the psychology behind the psychology they were peddling wasn’t uncommon ar the time and has had major ramifications. There was this boomer idea of enlightened rationalism that came from acid, misunderstood eastern religious stuff via the Beatles and the rise of computers that turned a lot of people into the most rapcious freaks to slither this earth. We’re all part of the Manson family fulfilling an acid ruled dream of race war cause we live in a world imagined by people who were like Phillip K Dick, read Phillip K Dick and in their cocain and acid addled minds decided his vision was positive. Gene himself exemplified this boomer perversion, he was a sex freak weirdo who bought into his own bullshit. These people need to be stopped and their ideas destroyed, full stop.
My favorite thing about vulcans is they’re like “we are very logical, logic logic logic” and everyone is like “they’re so smart and logical” but because tv writers are dumb they’re basically just super racist radlibs
That and the Libertsrianification of the series post roddenberry are both topics I really wanna dig into and do a big giant write up on but the homework is massive and ultimately about a silly TV show. It could be kinda worthwhile and fun but everyone is doing book reports at the same time and I sorta feel my time is better spent on real shit and it’s hard to squeeze in silly research.