Honestly, the insistence that Lemmy has better discussions than Reddit. Mostly even popular posts have too few comments to constitute any in depth discussion. I won’t be going back to Reddit but I miss the vibrancy.
This but about how almost everything about Lemmy is spun as either good, or better than reddit’s equivalent.
Like the other day I saw a post about how Lemmy’s active users were on the decline, trying to claim that was somehow good for Lemmy. Or back when Lemmy had its /r/place copy, there were plenty of people saying it was better than reddit’s. Basically anything about Lemmy that’s somewhat lacking has people desperately trying to defend it as actually superior.
It borders on delusional at times. Yes Lemmy is good, but reddit is still better in dozens of ways, almost all of them related to user count. And this is coming from one of the people who deleted their reddit account and replaced it with Lemmy cold turkey - I haven’t been back there (except for porn) in almost 8 weeks.
Yes, I miss reddit for porn. Porn lemmy is lackluster
You do know you need an account on the NSFW instances to see the stuff on them right?
I see them just fine without one, but I did allow nsfw on my account when I created it
There is more. Go check the stickied post.
The stickied post on nsfw lemmy or ask lemmy or something else? And there’s more porn? Because honestly, that’s like telling me there’s more furry, Star Trek, and Linux content there- it’s already all over my front page and I don’t need any more.
Yes. I have one exclusively for it.
And not niche enough. The stuff I like on reddit has 28 posts from the last 24 hours. The equivalent on lemmynsfw hasn’t had a single post since mid-July and I’m pretty sure the restrictive rules on pornlemmy would just ban it if posted there.
but reddit is still better in dozens of ways, almost all of them related to user count.
It’s not though, because it’s all locked away through an interface that doesn’t work for many people. And it doesn’t matter how good what’s on the other side is, if there is a barrier that ensures I won’t ever be on the other side.
That’s just being obtuse. Reddit does, in fact, have better content. You wouldn’t say a restaurant has shitty food because you don’t like the decor.
That’s just being obtuse. Reddit does, in fact, have better content.
I’m not denying that. I’m saying it doesn’t matter, because I can’t access it except through an app that I actively dislike using
It goes both ways. There are ways Lemmy is better than reddit, even in this early stage - and the default interface is 100% one of those. Default reddit is getting more and more like facebook these days.
But the lack of users on lemmy really hurts it. Of the 20 posts on my current All page, 13 of them have 0 comments. 5 of the remaining 7 have fewer than 5 comments.
I really think Lemmy has the potential to eventually surpass reddit - but I by no means at all think it’s even close to that point yet. While it still has a long way to go software-wise, growing its userbase is by far the biggest hurdle it has to overcome. And as long as reddit keeps getting worse I think we’ll get there.
I did get your point that reddit’s strengths don’t really matter if it’s wrapped in a package that’s unusable. I just disagree that that means Lemmy is automatically better in every way.
I am also not overly into this chat - because of what I said not what you said. I considered deleting my original message because it was more negative than I care to be, but left it because people had already replied. I’d really rather not get sucked into a chain of messages where all I’m doing is complaining about Lemmy.
There are plenty of users. The issue is they’re not all working together on the same content.
That’s the really the issue with federation as a solution for Reddit. Reddit was what it was because of a single, shared userbase all commenting and voting on the same things. Like /r/place, it was one canvas, all hands contributed to it.
The fediverse was sold to us as working the same way but the results have been the opposite. It’s fragmented with invisible walls.
While I agree that federation currently works against Lemmy, and I’ve written to that effect before (Though I think most such issues can eventually be fixed on the software side), I still disagree that there are plenty of users. The entire active userbase of Lemmy is still fewer people than are subscribed to /r/Montana. /r/AskReddit alone currently has more unique people on it at the time of this reply than Lemmy has had in the last month.
So that’s our problem: We’re trying to take the amount of people who might browse /r/AskReddit at its peak on a Wednesday, and using just them trying to rebuild everything on reddit. The userbase here is spread too thin. Federation is artificially spreading them even thinner, but even without it we’d still be desperately in need of new users.
anyone know if you can make a post there asking about Lemmy - I feel like reddit mods would remove it, you know?
I half-agree with this. I think that this depends a lot on the topic and, while the smaller amount of comments does hurt discussion depth, the individual comments themselves partially offset this by being more thoughtful.
And, while anecdotal, I think that there’s a considerably lower ratio of comments with negative discussion value here in Lemmy than in Reddit. I’m not even talking about the out-of-place jokes (although they add noise), but shit like this:
- “waaah, TL;DR!!” discouraging in-depth explainations
- feigned lack of understanding as ad nauseam tactic
- context illiteracy
- unchecked assumptions towards other users, for the sake of ad hominem
- “trust me”
Don’t get me wrong; you do find this crap here, but IMO it’s way less than in Reddit. And they hurt discussion because they either waste the time of the more thoughtful and knowledgeable users, or outright disengage them.
I still use both Lemmy and Reddit and I honestly think Lemmy is in a sweet spot where there are enough comments for a discussion but not enough to go off topic.
Reddit discussions are never about the OP, they’re always riffing on an off-topic joke that someone made in a reply to the already off-topic top comment.
Eh, Lemmy has the issue where the activity is low enough that the substantial number of low effort comments and comments that regurgitate the same bland sentiment are overwhelming.
These comments were annoying on Reddit and was my primary reason for leaving.
Hackernews manages a better balance. It is not as active as Reddit but there are a lot of insightful comments that balance out the low-effort contributions.
As an example: I’d happily happily throw a block party the day Elon Musk launches himself into the sun. I don’t need to see an article every time he takes a dump and the corresponding 50 comments about “elon is a menace”
Or anything Threads. The amount of exaggerated and irrational commentary about that was incredibly offputting.
It really depends on the topic. The big topics in Lemmy are better. But there’s a lot of niche content that just isn’t there.
Same dog piling happens on lemmy as it did in reddit. You try to introduce any nuance for discussion on a circle jerk thread, and it’s down vote knee reactions.
I tried tildes, but it’s the opposite problem. Pages of text for simple arguments that could be expressed in a paragraph, and people mincing words being too polite to get to the fucking point that they disagree. And if you’re blunt and to the point, it ruffles feathers.
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Lemmy users also tend to be stuck in one mind set and that is they know what they are talking about all the time no matter what even if their opinion is actually kind of shit.
“lemmy users”, most people here have been here for barely 2 months. The site doesn’t have a defined culture yet, if it ever will given its fragmentation.
I get that you can’t stand having to see opinions you disagree with, but you’re really trying to prop up some punching bag here that doesn’t exist.
Nah, there is a culture here and there was before the reddit move. If there wasn’t then I could just say, “there are now more reddit users and you guys are like reddit users.”
However, most Lemmy users who were here before are going to say, “this isn’t like reddit.”
Also, it’s not about disagreeing with opinions because as you have said that is the internet. It is about seeing people who think they are techy and and that there is one way and one way only. I will give you some examples: Linux is way better than any other OS, FOSS is the only way because why would you buy something, Ew 3 dollars a month for Google drive the cloud is just too expensive, just pirate everything that will stick it to big corporations.
It’s not a disagreement to opinion because these are things I also believe to some extent but on Lemmy they are extreme thoughts to the point of outright ignoring users asking about something and Lemmy downvoting and ignoring their question. So now Lemmy becomes more inclusive. There is also a, “actually,” vibe here and a, “Im not like other girls,” culture that most Lemmy users think they are so different from Reddit that they are actually just different kind of jerks.
Oh, then there is the, “yeah man, I know everything about privacy and security.” And those types of Lemmy users have no idea how much of a nightmare privacy and security is on the Fediverse in general.
So sure I will prop up a punching bag and take a swing but this is the internet if you feel like the punching bag and this felt like a hit then it probably means I’m not too far off.
In fairness, this is practically everywhere on the internet.
Yeah Reddit was no different
I love your you immediately got 4 replies proving your point. 🤣
I love your you immediately got 4 replies proving your point. 🤣
I love how there are only 3 replies in total. 🙈
Yeah, I miss hoping on some niche tech sub and saying that I was having trouble with xyz specific thing and I’d had multiple people comment that were super knowledgeable about that exact thing.
Alright lemmy let’s give this guy the most in depth talk about why lemmy has better discussions than reddit.
Lemmy isn’t known for using bots to fill in gaps in user engegement, mostly
Fucking yes! I hated being interrupted constantly by useless bots telling me the meaning of random words or the differences in grammar. Shit was off topic and unnecessary.
I agree 100%. On Reddit you usually had the same style top few comments but under those you could actually see good conversation and discussions. Here everyone thinks they are right and you are wrong and nothing you can say can change that.
Tankies.
You can’t have a discussion about anything without some tankie blaming it on Ukrainians / the west / capitalism, etc.
“Oh you stubbed your toe on the table? See, tables are oppressive furniture of the bourgeoisie. The Chinese government wanted to make all tables toe-stubbing resistent, but that would affect IKEA’s bottom line and the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. I have a source from tankiepeoplesmagazine to back this up.”
I made the mistake of mentionning social democracy once. This was followed by the most pedantic, insufferable and useless argument I have ever had on the internet. I had better discussions with wall. This was first and last time I was replying to those comments. It is easy to ignore anyway. Sometime you learn the hard way.
I’m genuinely curious to see that … do you have a link at all or something to search for?
Omg, so much this. So fucking annoying.
I almost never see this, but I see complaints about “tankies” all the time. I’m not even sure what a tankie is, but it seems about as stupid as the term “woke”.
Have a look at comments in any news article regarding Ukraine. They will simp for Russia just because they are not US allies.
A tankie is commonly used to refer to someone who blindly defends the actions of the USSR, China, North Korea, etc. Going as far as denying human rights abuses and genocide.
It’s not the same thing as woke.
I know it’s not the same as woke, the word just hits the same level of annoyingness for me.
I’m all for shutting down those who support Russia right now, I just feel like using buzzwords makes it more difficult to take people seriously.
The term goes back to the 50s and 60s, hardly a buzzword.
Sorry to tell you, but you’ve been living under a rock.
bourgeoisie
Always makes me laugh when I see this. I’m tempted to start a hexbear bingo, it’ll be the first one on the list!
What’s equally annoying is people who won’t shut up about “tankies.”
Honestly, everyone across this argument sucks. But I wold like to point out, that not a single “tankie” has complained about anything in the comments here.
You, however….
this is a thread specifically for complaining about stuff you don’t like.
don’t be so butthurt about it.
The funny thing is that u/Pratai@lemmy.ca is in lemmy.ca which defederated hexbear and lemmygrad so he won’t see the annoying tankies.
Wouldn’t care if I did. Because I don’t care what other people are into.
So complaining about too much complaining in a thread for complaining is too much complaining because it’s not the complaint you yourself have?
I too am able to complain about the complainants complaint. if you have a complaint concerning my complaint complaint complaint please don’t hesitate to post it as a response to this complaint
Well, I don’t mind if I do!! Fourth complaint is the charm?!
Buttthurt? Don’t think you know me that well kiddo.
I was simply pointing out the irony. I couldn’t care less about either side of the argument.
Don’t think you know me that well kiddo.
The cringe is killing me
Found the Lemmy user who is upset that someone called them out.
I don’t think so … I think that’s someone talking about
what is the most annoying thing you have seen about Lemmy users?… the question and point of the post. Honestly, I think it’s poor form to create a thread for criticising lemmy users/culture to then find certain critiques (which you evidently disagree with) to be inherently invalid without presenting any sort of discussion or explanation for your view in any remotely polite fashion.Did you miss the part where I said everyone across the argument sucks? I didn’t even know what a tankie was until I asked a while back. I think the entire thing is fucking stupid.
But I see a LOT of people whining about them. Which is ironic considering that the person I responded to called themselves out by making evening about tankies, while people who whine about them do exactly that by whining about them.
Yea, I’m with you … the most “annoying” think about tankies is all of the noise about them as though they’re some degenerate scum bringing down society.
It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.
People who support the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the CCP’s violations of human rights ARE degenerate scum bringing down society.
I am never going to stop whining about their presence.
Shrugging off extremist views as “just a political opinion” that should be ignored if you don’t like it is like the #1 way to normalize and spread extremist views. You do not, and should not, politely ignore extremist. Doing so is explicitly allowing and inviting more into your community. Tankies can fuck off and I will continue to say so.
Well, the way I see it is that tankies are pretty much a minority without any power in the west, and, at least the ones I’ve seen around here, aren’t actively organising any sort of violent revolutionary behaviour or anything … which means their views tend to always be critiques of the powerful western governments and mainstream cultures form the perspectives of minorities, and often in ways that many in the mainstream find unpalatable, and therefore unconvincing. So, even if “extreme” (whatever you mean by that exactly) in some way, it’s a “punching up” kind of “extreme” that I’m open minded to hearing, however agreeable or disagreeable I tend to find their opinions.
Do you really think tankies are convincing? This thread, at least, indicates otherwise. So much “extremism” are they going to be spreading? IMO, the sort of “extremism” much more likely to spread is the sort of stuff driven by hate of some sort of “other” weaker and smaller than the mainstream as a scapegoat, not least because it’s more amenable to the worldview(s) of the larger and more powerful majority.
The “extremist views” I’m talking about is the support for authoritarian regimes that use draconian laws and excessive military force to enforce the law. Tankies often do support the subjugation of people they deem “lesser”, but unlike extremist on the far right, they often keep that part quiet.
The fact that you’re downplaying the extremity of Tankie talking points is a perfect example of how they are able to normalize their opinions by being allowed a voice in groups where their opinions should be shunned and shamed.
This is a great breakdown of the exact thing I’m talking about.. The video focuses on these tactics and how they are used by the alt-right, but this is not something exclusive to the right and is exactly what tankies are doing on lemmy.
If they’re in your comments saying it’s a good thing civilians are being tortured to death and bombed because they were born in the wrong place then that’s not just political differences.
Their goal is explicitly to silence others by sheer volume of bullshit.
saying it’s a good thing civilians are being tortured to death and bombed because they were born in the wrong place
I mean, who disagrees with you here … that’s the sort of stuff moderation and blocking is for.
But I can’t help but suspect (perhaps naively) that that’s your read of someone else’s opinion and not what they actually said or even intended to say, largely because it seems you’re projecting consequences onto a difference of principles/interpretations.
I have an entire conversation on here where the majority of Lemmy users told me democrats should start killing people.
Also, what fucking moderation?
It is kinda bs that republicans kill people constantly but democrats never do. The solution is ideally that republicans stop killing people though. I don’t think suddenly becoming just as murderous is a good idea unless we break out into literal civil war.
I have an entire conversation on here where the majority of Lemmy users told me democrats should start killing people.
I gotta ask for receipts for that one. Also … what do you mean by “democrats should start killing people?”
Also, what fucking moderation?
Well however ineffective some may find it, moderation does occur on lemmy. But beyond that, my point was that an awful statement is an awful statement and should be dealt with accordingly. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that an entire political position thinks the same way and to infer as much without more would really just be prejudice.
No they’re actively supporting it in a literal sense. Tell them Russia needs to stop killing civilians and they’ll say something about corruption needing to be purged (as if killing civilians will do that), or something about denazification (implying all Ukrainians deserve to be killed), or deny it’s happening despite all evidence
Some of them have a real thing for saying the Tiananmen Square massacre never happened and there’s no evidence, too. I guess I just hallucinated those news reports at the time with screams and gunfire in the background.
Hmmm … I think I might have seen a statement or two like that. Though, in my cases, it seemed a lot more like moving the goal posts or not arguing so well their general anti-western sentiment … I don’t think I’ve seen anyone go so far as to support the killing of civilians (in fact, I saw opposition to the deaths of civilians).
Do you have any receipts?
And, FWIW, my general position here is that I’m not a “tankie” or whatever and don’t necessarily like everything they have to say around here, but, by default I lean toward having access to a wide set of opinions so long as I have the option of walking away or ignoring them when I need to. The thing that disturbs me about a lot of the “anti-tankie” sentiments is that it looks a lot like an aggressive enforcement of a political bubble against any hardline critiques of the west. I, for one, am happy to hear said critiques even if they are off-base most of the time, in part because I have no doubt that we are all living in sometimes petty political bubbles.
That, of course, doesn’t excuse being awful … it’s just that I haven’t encountered the degree of awfulness that many speak about and whenever I’ve gone looking (which, admittedly isn’t deeply or often) I have struggled to find what has been accused. Because of this, I’m always curious to see what “anti-tankies” are talking about.
I have zero problems with critique of the west. The problem is those people only want to allow criticism of the west and nothing else
It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.
Funny, you sound just like my uncle. Do you have confederate flags hanging up in your room too, like he does?
I keep seeing this type of argument being made, the problem is though, it’s not just political differences.
These users will brigade, follow you around, harass you, post objectionable memes and content, etc if you disagree with them. If you think that it’s just “political differences” and not a big deal, I suggest you spend your time preaching to the group that actually can’t handle being disagreed with and not the rest of us for simply noticing and talking about how horrible that group is.
I’ve also seen “we’re adults, so lets just move on and not defederate/ban” but the problem here is one group is not actually acting like adults so that argument doesn’t work.
I’ve also seen “we’re adults, so lets just move on and not defederate/ban”
I’m not talking about defederation. Anyone wants to defederate, go right ahead, that’s your right here, and I’m not too interested in getting upset at anyone that wants to do so. That being said, talking about defederation decisions and policies at a general level is also important because of the relationship admins have over users … though here on lemmy we’re pretty happy having multiple accounts and moving around so it isn’t so much of an issue.
These users will brigade, follow you around, harass you, post objectionable memes and content,
Woah … I haven’t seen that, do you have links/receipts on that?
I suggest you spend your time preaching to the group that actually can’t handle being disagreed with
I presume you’re talking about tankies … what do you mean by “can’t handle”?
Here is how I read this,
“You don’t have to make me feel like I am whining about things.”
“So you stop whining about things. Quit talking so I can.”
Found yet another Lemmy user to prove my point.
So a lemmy user criticising a general behavour of lemmy users in a thread asking lemmy users what crticisms they have of other lemmy users … is considered by the OP of the thread to be problematic and “proof of [their] point” … I’m honestly lost.
I mean if a political opinion I don’t like is one that says “hey these people shouldn’t be allowed in our country because they are a different color” or “we should allow a president to betray the entire country and sell it out” then no that’s a pretty big deal and those people should be shunned or exiled
“hey these people shouldn’t be allowed in our country because they are a different color” or “we should allow a president to betray the entire country and sell it out”
Wait … are these views pushed by tankies? Do you have any links … genuinely curious?
This platform is almost 100% idealism and politics. Any hobby/technical community goes completely inactive.
I’m annoyed by all those Facebook-type boomer comics you see on basically all meme subs. Reddit culture managed to get rid of them, but for some reason people here seem to love them
Look, sometimes people enjoy brainless humor and that’s okay. People have hard days. Twelve hours in the field days. Sometimes people are tired and just want something easy and that’s perfectly valid.
As the sages of old said, “It’s okay to not like things. It’s okay, but don’t be a dick about it.”
I know, I don’t really care, I’m just replying to the thread :)
It’s annoying but also interesting to see that people upvote different things
Any example? Out of curiosity
This would be the last one I saw. I probably have plenty more examples in my downvotes, but I don’t think they’re accessible on Lemmy :(
Thanks, now I get what you mean
How is it boomer ?
Kids don’t like anything that doesn’t have foul language, sexual innuendos, or involves subtly.
That said, while I liked the comic linked, it had no business being posted in a meme community.
Sincerely, A boomer
Kids don’t like anything that doesn’t have foul language, sexual innuendos, or involves subtly.
I’ve never heard such a boomer thing to say lmao
Anyway, the main thing I dislike about it is the art style. The jokes can be funny sometimes but they usually aren’t really jokes to me
That was the joke…
its an old style comic that was used mostly for political cartoons back in the day but now they’re just memes. There was a sub reddit for them specifically.
Chill the fuck out with the linux supremacy. I hate windows too but linux is not as friendly and efficient as you think.
Political extremists. So about the same as Reddit, though they seem to be a little more frequent/outspoken here. Also funnily enough the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Used to get called a dirty commie because I believed in Nationalized healthcare, but now I’m apparently a facist for not worshipping the CCP.
Just lack of numbers. Reddit’s at it’s best when I can use it to discuss some incredibly niche topic. That early 2000s RTS that nobody remembers? Got a few dozen redditors still posting memes. New indie game drops? There’s enough redditors on it that we can talk about it.
But lemmy seems really bad for trying to enjoy any community that isn’t a big political or meme centerpiece. Any particular game or IP that isn’t a lowest common denominator? It’ll get maybe 3 posts a month.
No more interesting discussions of gameplay mechanics or inspirations or character analyses, no burning out an entire workday browsing the top all-time and giggling like an idiot, it’s just dead here.
The same massive numbers that made reddit insufferable for some are what make niche communities inhabitable at all.
I don’t know if it’s the users themselves or just the fact it’s a smaller community as a whole, but I see way, way more drama posts about random things going on in niche parts of Lemmy than I ever did on Reddit. And unlike those on Reddit, most of these posts on Lemmy amount to nothing but the OP overreacting or reaching for the sake of being a victim. I can only think of one bit of drama that was legit, and that was the Ten Forward/Risa thing.
And it’s not more or less annoying than Reddit, it’s basically the same thing as the nazis but with a different flavor: the tankies. It’s just… Weird. I’d never encountered that shit before.
Despite being a techie myself, I’m frequently irritated by how much technical conversation there is on here. I seem to see comments all the time that use some unrelated computer programming concept as a metaphor or a similar non sequitur. It reeks of intellectual elitism and is just a reminder of what a small community we still are. I kind of miss the amount of ‘normal’ people on reddit with more varied interests. That said, generally speaking the quality of conversation on here is really high which is amazing.
I’m left on the political spectrum but by and large y’all fuckers are over the deep end.
All the empty communities without any motivation from the creating user to actually be involved in their own community. I honestly think they should be deleted if they’re not active. Inb4 “be the change/create your own”. No, I don’t want to run a community so I don’t create a community. Neither should you. Nobody benefits from all these empty reservations of space. It might actually hinder the people who have a need for a community. It’s like showing up at an empty store. “Oh I guess I’ll go somewhere else for this then”
It’s really goddamn preachy. There’s a real sense of superiority a lot of users have that I don’t recall as much on Reddit.
There’s also the fact that small communities are dead and it’s next to impossible to grow them, so you’re stuck with the same people on the front page every day.
The sheer amount of pro-communist/pro-china comments is insane here. Plus the number of giant emojis that spam up the whole comment feed. Honestly, most of my real issues come down strictly to Hexbear users. A lot of their behavior completely ruins the platform for me.
That and the lack of fanbases for the things I like. There’s very little Star Wars or Halo fan presence here. Feels like Star Trek is the only fandom with any presence here, so I have to go back to reddit for those things.
Bots copy pasting content from Reddit.
There are community filled only with that, no upvotes, no comment, no nothing.
When you finally block the bot those communities disappear as the bot is the only active user.
Lots more pro CCP shills on here. Smh.
