One day at a time. Isn’t that what the 12 Step groups say? People in this thread saying this won’t do anything. You have to start somewhere. Don’t be defeatist. Get involved. Unless you are just trolling to keep people from doing anything.
I’m sure it will do something, I’m sure it’ll lead to overstock at large stores and force all the low wage workers to suffer a little extra. That’s what it will do.
Doomer do-nothings are so incredibly frustrating. I get the frustration, but spreading apathy is not useful. Authoritarianism flourishes when apathy takes root among the populace.
Real doing something is a long term boycott. Not a one day thing. Real doing something is labor organization, unions allow collaboration at a higher level, and allow you to strike back at the throat.
Even protesting at a leftist capital is doing more than a single day’s blackout.
Go exercise your second amendment by a conservative senator’s house if you really want to do something (and I don’t mean that as a shoot them euphemism. Make them uncomfortable.)
This is it. If we want to have any effect it needs to be much longer than a day. One month would make a statement. You could even cave out food. You could also have people cancel their endless list of subscriptions or just scale back their lifestyle for a greater effect than a one day pause.
The organization that organized the economic blackout has longer-term boycotts planned in the coming weeks. This is just the opening salvo. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You’re not getting “good”. A one day pause is not an effective strategy in any sense. It’s slacktivism. It’ll placate people who would have otherwise taken actual action.
You say placate, I say practice. People who have never protested a day in their lives aren’t going to start out with a multi-month blackout. They need to get used to protesting by starting small.
Let them prepare! Effective organized protest and resistance isn’t something that happens overnight. It can sometimes take months or even years of concerted effort.
Americans have not had to protest like this in many many decades. That is it’s been “good enough” for a large part of the population to not really do anything, so there is no system that people can tap into like in France. So thinking that you are going to get a million+ people to go into the streets and shut everything down for a few weeks isn’t realistic.
American protest opposition also has a great response to these gatherings by getting them to turn into riots so there is justification for military style responses. Which makes people on the fence hesitant. Getting people to dip their toe in the lake of resistance is the best way forward. It’s slow, it looks silly and limiting but if it works it emboldens more people to do more.
“That is it’s been “good enough” for a large part of the population”
There’s the selfish ‘as long as it’s not me attitude’.
You also think it was ‘good enough’ and didn’t need to protest is even more telling and comfirms my view.
You were OK with having no healthcare, mass incarceration and de facto slavery in that system.
Authoritarian police with an unrivaled murder rate, mass drug abuse and homelessness.
ANY of those things would be reason for a population to revolt and resist.
The US simply doesn’t know better and think this is normal and mistakenly believe other countries are worse off.
Imagine being so pacified that they take all this.
And yes, real resistance is hard and difficult.
They are not going to give you anything by asking nicely.
The US population is like an abused housewife that stays with her bully would rather not make waves in the hope it will get better and doesn’t get another beating.
If she doesn’t resist and leave she doesn’t deserve saving.
Yes, Americans have been pacified - though I think most western countries’ populations are to some extent. And because of that pacification they are not going to jump up and do the really difficult stuff of resistance until it starts effecting them more - this I agree with. But your argument or your complaint sounds like if Americans don’t jump from pacification to doing the hard stuff nothing else matters. It’s all or nothing in your mind.
But that isn’t how it works, small protests and boycotts on large scales do have some impact. They also demonstrate to Americans that resistance does work and possible get them to do more. If there is small successes then larger, more difficult resistance has the chance to grow and be sustained.
should these protest happen sooner and more often, sure but they didn’t and that is arguments for history - So maybe this administration will actually prompt more people to start doing more uncomfortable actions to change the country for the better?
For real. Most Americans have probably never even participated in a “buy nothing” day, much less a pocket book protest against a government.
I don’t see what’s wrong with starting with one day, letting people get used to the concept, then dialing up the frequency once word of mouth has spread.
pacified slave mentality.
i despise you all and will enjoy seeing this accomplish nothing.
i have no respect for slaves without will, you don’t deserve saving
One day at a time. Isn’t that what the 12 Step groups say? People in this thread saying this won’t do anything. You have to start somewhere. Don’t be defeatist. Get involved. Unless you are just trolling to keep people from doing anything.
I’m sure it will do something, I’m sure it’ll lead to overstock at large stores and force all the low wage workers to suffer a little extra. That’s what it will do.
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Doomer do-nothings are so incredibly frustrating. I get the frustration, but spreading apathy is not useful. Authoritarianism flourishes when apathy takes root among the populace.
Real doing something is a long term boycott. Not a one day thing. Real doing something is labor organization, unions allow collaboration at a higher level, and allow you to strike back at the throat.
Even protesting at a leftist capital is doing more than a single day’s blackout.
Go exercise your second amendment by a conservative senator’s house if you really want to do something (and I don’t mean that as a shoot them euphemism. Make them uncomfortable.)
George Washington would tell you to stand outside the homes of the representatives and demand action.
This is it. If we want to have any effect it needs to be much longer than a day. One month would make a statement. You could even cave out food. You could also have people cancel their endless list of subscriptions or just scale back their lifestyle for a greater effect than a one day pause.
The organization that organized the economic blackout has longer-term boycotts planned in the coming weeks. This is just the opening salvo. Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
You’re not getting “good”. A one day pause is not an effective strategy in any sense. It’s slacktivism. It’ll placate people who would have otherwise taken actual action.
You say placate, I say practice. People who have never protested a day in their lives aren’t going to start out with a multi-month blackout. They need to get used to protesting by starting small.
Don’t let nothing be the enemy of good either. That’s all i need saying.
You need everyone in line for longer ones. Single day ones only serve to make the companies more prepared for longer ones.
Let them prepare! Effective organized protest and resistance isn’t something that happens overnight. It can sometimes take months or even years of concerted effort.
you are doing nothing.
this is not resistance, it’s embarrassing. you all deserve what you get.
Americans have not had to protest like this in many many decades. That is it’s been “good enough” for a large part of the population to not really do anything, so there is no system that people can tap into like in France. So thinking that you are going to get a million+ people to go into the streets and shut everything down for a few weeks isn’t realistic.
American protest opposition also has a great response to these gatherings by getting them to turn into riots so there is justification for military style responses. Which makes people on the fence hesitant. Getting people to dip their toe in the lake of resistance is the best way forward. It’s slow, it looks silly and limiting but if it works it emboldens more people to do more.
Stopping for one day isn’t a protest.
“That is it’s been “good enough” for a large part of the population”
There’s the selfish ‘as long as it’s not me attitude’.
You also think it was ‘good enough’ and didn’t need to protest is even more telling and comfirms my view.
You were OK with having no healthcare, mass incarceration and de facto slavery in that system.
Authoritarian police with an unrivaled murder rate, mass drug abuse and homelessness.
ANY of those things would be reason for a population to revolt and resist.
The US simply doesn’t know better and think this is normal and mistakenly believe other countries are worse off.
Imagine being so pacified that they take all this.
And yes, real resistance is hard and difficult.
They are not going to give you anything by asking nicely.
The US population is like an abused housewife that stays with her bully would rather not make waves in the hope it will get better and doesn’t get another beating. If she doesn’t resist and leave she doesn’t deserve saving.
Yes, Americans have been pacified - though I think most western countries’ populations are to some extent. And because of that pacification they are not going to jump up and do the really difficult stuff of resistance until it starts effecting them more - this I agree with. But your argument or your complaint sounds like if Americans don’t jump from pacification to doing the hard stuff nothing else matters. It’s all or nothing in your mind.
But that isn’t how it works, small protests and boycotts on large scales do have some impact. They also demonstrate to Americans that resistance does work and possible get them to do more. If there is small successes then larger, more difficult resistance has the chance to grow and be sustained.
should these protest happen sooner and more often, sure but they didn’t and that is arguments for history - So maybe this administration will actually prompt more people to start doing more uncomfortable actions to change the country for the better?
For real. Most Americans have probably never even participated in a “buy nothing” day, much less a pocket book protest against a government.
I don’t see what’s wrong with starting with one day, letting people get used to the concept, then dialing up the frequency once word of mouth has spread.
One day will do nothing. This is slacktivism. Every one of them is a useful fool for the fascists.
pacified slave mentality.
i despise you all and will enjoy seeing this accomplish nothing.
i have no respect for slaves without will, you don’t deserve saving
Good, I’m hard, keep going
oh you’re getting kinky now?
You’re not supposed to enjoy this!
That’s a caning!
🤡
They show up on every single issue and I want to just interview these people and post it online. Like who are these fucking losers