Legal firm had said Real World Portal encouraged misogyny and there was evidence to suggest it is an illegal pyramid scheme

Apple removes app created by Andrew Tate::Legal firm had said Real World Portal encouraged misogyny and there was evidence to suggest it is an illegal pyramid scheme

    • Midnight Wolf@lemmy.worldEnglish
      272·
      1 year ago

      I mean, sure, I will almost always die on this hill - but for something that supports harming women (or people in general), and/or is part of a pyramid scheme? Naw dawg ima dip out for a second and go get some smokes (and also never come back).

      Now, if it was like an app that was supporting human rights or something that is being removed, sure, it’s bad to have an entity control what you see/hear/interact with. And there may be gray areas between those two examples. But suppressing a human(s) just because the developer has a tiny pp and needs to overcompensate to the max? And try to gain traction and supporters to do the same? Uhh, no fucking way.

        • hedgehog@ttrpg.networkEnglish
          332·
          1 year ago

          This app didn’t get taken down because it was by a “controversial” guy. It got taken down because content in the app encouraged violence and because the app itself was a pyramid scheme (People had to pay $50/month just to use the app, with promises of rewards if they got more people to join).

          Google removed the app from their store, too. Yes, you can still probably install it from their website or a third party app store on Android, and yes, it would be great if third party app stores and sideloading existed for iOS (and they kinda do, though they’re very limited) but even if they did exist it would be reasonable to expect every single one of them to refuse to host this app (especially if “hosting” entails accepting payments).

          Tate can still host this via the web. He can even build a progressive web app for it. I suspect he’ll run into issues collecting that $50 monthly payment any way other than by crypto, though, since I suspect most payment processors will refuse to work with him.

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  41·
                  1 year ago

                  I doubt a famous guy on the internet will start a scam app which will ruin his reputation.

                  Do you also doubt a famous guy on the internet would traffic women and then charge people a fee to learn how to traffic women? Because that’s what Andrew Tate did.

            • hedgehog@ttrpg.networkEnglish
              143·
              1 year ago

              If the issue were his name, then it wouldn’t have made it on the App Store in the first place.

              Apple also removes social media apps that don’t meet their standards for moderation, so that’s already a thing. For example:

              Note that Apple didn’t remove “Truth Social” (though Google did) so this isn’t a political issue (it may be for Google, but I doubt it).

              Check out Apple’s App Store Review Guidelines. Personally, I approve of Apple protecting its users from scams and other dangerous content. There are a ton of things I’d love for them to be more open about allowing, but I’m fine with them banning apps like this one.

              Is your issue that you don’t like Apple’s requirements? If so, this app is an excellent point in their favor in most people’s eyes.

              Is your issue that you think Apple’s requirements are discriminatory in some way? If so, an app by a cis het white misogynist is probably not a great example of that.

              Do you think their standards were applied unfairly? If so, I find it hard to believe that you even read their guidelines.

              Honestly, I get the impression that you’re just a Tate fanboy and that you’re mad that Apple pulled his app.

              scam (which is not the case)

              I’m guessing you haven’t visited the website, because it screams “Scam!”

              no alternative way to install apps on iOS

              Apple users can install PWAs.

            • DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              61·
              1 year ago

              If the app was banned due to it being a scam (which is not the case)

              The term “scam” is a straw man. “Scam” is subjective, so you could define a scam as “an app that provides no content and steals your money” and conclude that the app in question is not that, and therefore fine.

              The main assertion in the article is:

              the app deliberately targets young men and encourages misogyny, including members of the app sharing techniques on how to control and exploit women. The firm has also claimed that there is evidence to suggest that the app is an illegal pyramid scheme

                • DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                  41·
                  1 year ago

                  Sorry I don’t really understand your position.

                  You’re rejecting the quotes from the article on the basis of the publication, suggesting a better accusation would be a “scam”, and then refuting that accusation as baseless.

                  I’m not trying to be an ass, I mean this as kindly as possible, but this is a straw man argument. You should look into logical fallacies. They’re well documented tactics for manipulating people and misrepresenting information. Everyone should. It will help you to reason about information and ultimately identify when you’re being manipulated.

        • Lantern@lemmy.worldEnglish
          142·
          1 year ago

          I feel like your negative opinion of censorship is so strong that it overpowers your morality. Would you let a serial killer walk around shouting that we should kill everyone just for the sake of preventing censorship, or would you insist they’re locked up? See, even you have your limit.

          Its a less extreme example, but the same logic applies here. We shouldn’t just let misogyny grow for the sake of ‘freedom’. That’s how you end up with stuff like the Nazis. Classic bystander mentality.

            • Smc87@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              131·
              1 year ago

              What about an app whose intention is to make it easier to kill as specific subset of people?

            • Lantern@lemmy.worldEnglish
              101·
              1 year ago

              Looks like we found the libertarian. Are you really willing to let others die or be abused for the sake of ‘freedom’? Here’s the thing; we can prevent civil freedoms from being infringed upon by increasing regulation. Yes, people are the root of all evil, but that doesn’t mean we can’t manage the spread of evil by regulating the tools that make it easier for it to grow. You’re really just proving my point here. The bystander is almost just as bad as being the one doing wrong.

        • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          It’s not censorship. Censorship is something demanded of by a government. As a business owner if you use the assets of my business I am passively participating and enabling you to spread your message. If I find out what you do is horrible I have the right to retract any level of my participation from your endeavor. You are still allowed to say whatever you want but I am NOT compelled to help you even passively.

          We have protected classes to stop people from uaing this right to exile vulnerable groups from being able to use all servicea in society this way as a counter measure to this right but if the form of removal is not based automatically out of what body you are walking around in or what your religious beliefs are and the ban doesn’t apply unilaterally to all members of your group for that sole reason - then it is valid.

    • gmtom@lemmy.worldEnglish
      251·
      1 year ago

      I love going onto the profiles of people that make dumbass comments like this because it’s never a 1 off dumb comment that got downvotes, it’s always that their profile is filled with either lazy troll comments or just stupid bullshit.

      And this guy is certainly no exception, my favourite is him denying climate change and trying to claim that its all just a communist conspiracy.

      • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
        29·
        1 year ago

        Or stuff like:

        Someone needs to firebomb the school board.

        oh wait, that was you…

        Honestly, I don’t care if he’s a climate denier or full on conspiracy theorist about everything, even a broken clock is right twice a day right? So when they say something right, I acknowledge it (and even people like you that, based on their profile are usually a bit less crazy, occasionally say crazy things as above).

    • ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.worldEnglish
      252·
      1 year ago

      I do think it’s hilarious how you’re viciously defending fraud and pyramid schemes. “People MUST be allowed to rob other people, and Apple MUST help and support theft!”

      Just amazing.

    • body_by_make@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      18·
      1 year ago

      Google had this removed from the play store before lmao sure you could download the APK, but that’s way less user friendly and people he’s trying to target aren’t going to

      • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
        816·
        1 year ago

        Right, Google still allows some kind of freedom by allowing you to sideload the apk, while still doing the right thing and removing this abominations their store. Win win. Apple sucks (imho).

    • nyctre@lemmy.worldEnglish
      181·
      1 year ago

      Dunno… this feels like the first genuinely good news I’ve heard apple linked with in a long while.

          • ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.worldEnglish
            102·
            1 year ago

            It’s funny, because not only does he really not get what a sheep he is, but I’ve pasted the link to it on Wikipedia to him twice already. He’s really trying his hardest to stay as ignorant as possible.

            Ask him his opinion of tertiary education if you want a laugh :)

          • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
            518·
            1 year ago

            I’m not the person you were replying to, but here’s my take.

            We don’t need to tolerate intolerance, but that’s different than “freedom of speech”. We can still refuse to tolerate intolerance while still protecting freedom (I’m purposefully ignoring the whole “inciting violence” and “pyramid scheme” that would make this illegal, not just controversial, for the sake of this argument).

            Example: on Android, you can still sideload apps at your own risk, protecting freedom, while Google can still remove it from their store, and so refusing to tolerate intolerance. (wow am I really defending Google? Well I guess at least they used not to be evil).

        • kimpilled@infosec.pubEnglish
          161·
          1 year ago

          Apple users do have a choice. Apple isn’t the only game in town. If those users disagree with Apple and want Tate shit, they can use a different platform.

    • ilmagico@lemmy.worldEnglish
      717·
      1 year ago

      While I would never need anything with Andrew Tate’s name on it, I absolutely agree with the statement and that’s why I stick with android. Upvoted.