Sure, US policy in Middle East was far from ideal, but example given in article for US massive bombardments were about fight with ISIS. I do not think you can get moral ground by criticizing that. ISIS should have been fought and exterminated.
Yes there is parallel with what Israel is doing with Hamas. But use this analogy to think about that it is not as black and white as most people here pretend to be.
Right now every participant in conflict has committed numerous crimes. There is ho moral high ground for anybody. Every side is lying through their teeth to achieve their goals. People of Israel and Palestine are dying while selected few in Israeli and Palestinians get richer and consolidate power in their hands. Both sides have been solidly brainwashed against each other. It’d take enormous effort to stabilize things. I have not seed anyone fitting the bill.
The problem is that I do not see solution with Hamas and current right wing government in Israel in power. But if the government in Israel can be (and likely will be after these events) changed in democratic elections, no such luck with Hamas. Hamas leaders already are promising multiple repeats of recent massacre. Their whole ideology is based on destruction of Jews from the very beginning of founding of this organization. If peace is to happen in future I just see no path other than forceful removal of them from the power. Do you?
The problem is that I do not see solution with Hamas and current right wing government in Israel in power.
agreed
Unfortunately adding “2 + 2” I come to the same conclusion. The only chance for this to stop is external force. Whether it’s weapon supply to Hamas or them getting ostracized by Arab world (I mean Hamas, not Palestinians). Democratic shift in Israel is a necessary prerequisite too however it can’t come with a weakening of Israel or we’ll be witnessing Holocaust v2. Most of my life I despised Israel for what they did to Palestine however in light of recent events I believe militarily they ought to be strong to prevent any further attempts at genocide of Israelis and they should stay within their own borders
not quite. Palestine never got it’s independence and never had government concerned with Palestine development rather than external threats. I do not recall anybody attempting to aid Palestine to become independent. Israel’s “aid” was used as means of control.
I’m talking about two countries going their own way. That never happened.
My apologies, I did not indeed said Gaza Strip in this thread, there was similar thread (or even split off of this one) where I said that. However, it is easy to see that when I was talking about Hamas and 17 year blockade (and independence) I was talking only about Gaza Strip.
Sure, US policy in Middle East was far from ideal, but example given in article for US massive bombardments were about fight with ISIS. I do not think you can get moral ground by criticizing that. ISIS should have been fought and exterminated.
Yes there is parallel with what Israel is doing with Hamas. But use this analogy to think about that it is not as black and white as most people here pretend to be.
Right now every participant in conflict has committed numerous crimes. There is ho moral high ground for anybody. Every side is lying through their teeth to achieve their goals. People of Israel and Palestine are dying while selected few in Israeli and Palestinians get richer and consolidate power in their hands. Both sides have been solidly brainwashed against each other. It’d take enormous effort to stabilize things. I have not seed anyone fitting the bill.
The problem is that I do not see solution with Hamas and current right wing government in Israel in power. But if the government in Israel can be (and likely will be after these events) changed in democratic elections, no such luck with Hamas. Hamas leaders already are promising multiple repeats of recent massacre. Their whole ideology is based on destruction of Jews from the very beginning of founding of this organization. If peace is to happen in future I just see no path other than forceful removal of them from the power. Do you?
agreed
Unfortunately adding “2 + 2” I come to the same conclusion. The only chance for this to stop is external force. Whether it’s weapon supply to Hamas or them getting ostracized by Arab world (I mean Hamas, not Palestinians). Democratic shift in Israel is a necessary prerequisite too however it can’t come with a weakening of Israel or we’ll be witnessing Holocaust v2. Most of my life I despised Israel for what they did to Palestine however in light of recent events I believe militarily they ought to be strong to prevent any further attempts at genocide of Israelis and they should stay within their own borders
What you describe they did it for 17 years - blockade. It did not work.
not quite. Palestine never got it’s independence and never had government concerned with Palestine development rather than external threats. I do not recall anybody attempting to aid Palestine to become independent. Israel’s “aid” was used as means of control.
I’m talking about two countries going their own way. That never happened.
I specifically said “Gaza strip”.
Either it’s my client or my eyes but I did not see mentions of “Gaza strip” in your previous messages in this thread. Sorry.
My apologies, I did not indeed said Gaza Strip in this thread, there was similar thread (or even split off of this one) where I said that. However, it is easy to see that when I was talking about Hamas and 17 year blockade (and independence) I was talking only about Gaza Strip.