I’ve been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

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    Shit but marginally better than the US on both counts. But the point was not about what the government is doing but what the effect of having more than two parties is.

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      The effect of having more than two parties is Brexit plus still being a conservative slumland whose PM has taken a publically transphobic stance, with “unqualified support” for Israel.

      Not voting is like extremely high risk, low reward, maybe no reward.

      Like, let’s risk giving over control of America to a party whose stated intent is to opress and genocide trans people, minorities, women and non-white people, and maybe we’ll get a multi-party system with a milquetoast transphobe Zionist for a president instead.

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        If you think brexit was a consequence of having more than 2 parties and not politicians/media lying to the populace and enacting a major change on the back of a slim majority in a nonbinding referendum to make a fuck ton of money for Tory party donors, then you have very little idea bout British politics.

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          Absolutely I don’t think it’s a consequence of having more than 2 parties. I’m saying Britain’s version of “more than 2 parties” is demonstrably not better than the US system.

          politicians/media lying to the populace and enacting a major change on the back of a slim majority in a nonbinding referendum

          Well in a true Democratic system this wouldn’t be possible, but conservatives have a majority rule death grip on your country.

          This sucks because I WISH the UK system worked for leftists and progressives. It would be amazing to have a perfect example to follow and know it worked in real life and not just internet theory.

          I cannot consolidate in my head that people who call themselves leftists are actual real leftists when they support policies proven to give conservatives and right wingers power.

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            I mean it absolutely is better. I am able to vote for parties that align closer to my actual politics. But we need voting reform for Westminster elections as well. Ideally to at least movimg away from FPTP to STV.

            Right wing idiots, neoliberals and outright fascists can get into power anywhere no matter the voting system or how many parties a government has. It’s more to do with the interests of those with money and power.

            Well in a true Democratic system this wouldn’t be possible, but conservatives have a majority rule death grip on your country.

            My friend there can never be such a thing as true democracy, the rich own the global media, and countries are their plaything. They can influence any election or any group including/especially in America.

            This is where it becomes a class issue, the rich can just throw money at the problem and engage in underhand tactics to undermine democracy. If you don’t see it as a class issue and that it is a inherent problem with such massive wealth inequality then you think how they want you to.

            This is one of the reasons people here are leftist, in the anticapitalist, antifascist sense not in the liberal social reform sense.