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    So we have a spare 10 billion for Israel, but not predatory studen loan debt relief for our own citizens? Sounds about right

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      pls, giving student loan debt relief instead of $10 billion to Israeli gov’t is considered anti-Semitic 😔

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            At some point, we should simply allow children to be children. I’m not adverse to pre-k but I’m very adverse to conditioning them to work at ever*-earlier ages.

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              The children yearn for the mines, give them what they really want. Let’s turn this into a 10 billion dollar profit.

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                Pre-mines. They spend a year in the mines as a learning experience ( unpaid internship) and then we send them off to school

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                  Soviet school curriculum actually had a little bit of that. Well, how to tell ranks, what to do in case of war (also fire alarm or any other emergency), first aid, disassembly and assembly of the AK rifle, orientation on terrain and basic survival skills, not sure about actually firing at targets - I wasn’t alive back then.

                  In our school (I was born in 1996) there was literally one time where our class was taken to a shooting range, but it was more like a tour. The got to shoot a few rounds at targets, yes. The first aid, ranks and AK disassembly\assembly parts I do remember.

                  There were war-themed games (“Zarnitsa” etc) teaching coordination, subordination, orientation, and of course using radio (to communicate and to intercept the other team’s communications). EDIT: That I only heard about.

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              i don’t know what your pre-K was like, but i don’t remember mine requiring the kids to punch a timeclock, earn wages, or to perform any actual labor. IIRC, we played with toys, played games, sang songs, engaged in educational activities for toddlers, ate snacks, and took naps.

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              If we had more funding for great teachers, it would be anything but pre-work. Ultimately, lower income families really benefit from free childcare schools provide, and a good pre-K classroom is all about play and exploring.

              Teaching at that level should be fun for kids and teachers (though also exhausting). It’s when underfunding forces teachers into a solid 8h of classroom time a day with a way too large class size that it turns work-like.

              I freelanced music ed and worked with 4-8 year olds in several different schools. Some were amazing, supportive teaching assistants and reasonable schedules with a few breaks in my day, kids loved it and so did I. Others, I felt like a warden just trying to stop a riot for 9 hours straight with a 20min lunch. 25+ 4 year olds with no support doesn’t work.

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                What am amazing reply! I’m fully on board with fully funded, fully fun pre-k-12. I’d like to see it Montessori style, as well. Bring back recess, and for goodness’ sake, a full lunch hour.

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          Free school lunch!? Well there, Karl, I bet they will give you a free lunch in the gulags.

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          Given that Isreal is calling everyone and their mother (extra ironic in Judaism) anti semitic for not agreeing enthusiastically enough to ethnic cleansing/genocide, I am pretty confident they’re the ones who made the term meaningless. They litterally called the UN a bunch of Nazi sympathizers who would have supported the holocaust while at a UN meeting. Like my dude, why don’t you go sheckle heckle some actual nazi sympathizers and see if you walk out of the room.

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            Thank you. I couldn’t have said it any better. I mean, sometimes we joke about horrible stuff like this because we feel powerless to do anything about it, so at least we can poke fun at some of the silly aspects of the situation.

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            It’s a post about the US government’s spending. Equivocating them proves my point that they’re just looking for an opportunity to normalize a dangerous sentiment. That antisemitism doesn’t exist. A disinformation campaign that has existed for centuries.

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            IIRC Eichmann kinda liked the state of Israel. He considered it a thing of the past that Nazis “had” to exterminate Jews, in the spirit of “well, it’s ancient history, everybody has done that, we all have our own racial interests in mind”.

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      Military aid is generally not cash.

      Now if you want to cut the military budget to do things at home, I’m all for that

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        It’s cash to the weapons manufacturers and substitutes for cash the recipient would need to pay. It’s not like we give those weapons away and then just have fewer weapons.

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        Student loan debt wouldn’t have been “cash” either. They’re federal loans. They’re just numbers on a computer at this point, and wiping it out would be trivial (as we’ve seen with the continued, successful, attempts for the Biden Admin to continue forgiving these loans on the sly using whatever loopholes they can).

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          What I’m saying is that they say “give $X of aid” but really they’re giving $X worth of munitions and equipment they already have.

          Money on a computer is still money

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            Actually no. It it not always physical goods. Most often it’s a line of credit, basically a way for the government to kick back more funds to contractors that then kick back to bureaucrats and politicians.

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        Damn, every take you make on this forum is completely asinine lol.

        Military aid is generally not cash.

        So it’s free? Military equipment has no value and giving it away is not a loss?

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          At least if we are giving them tangible goods rather than cash, it’s not as fungible.

          But I don’t agree with giving ANY country aid. Shut it all off. We have shit at home to deal with.

          Any money being sent abroad is 100% eventually lining the pockets of politicians. Even money spent domestically does.

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          It’s not, but do you think we’re giving away cutting edge military tech or not developing that cutting edge tech that obsoletes the stuff we’re giving away regardless? It doesn’t really have a lot of value to the US rotting away in warehouse storage.

          Note that I’m not saying this in support of Israel nor am I well enough informed to know if this even applies there. It definitely applies to Ukraine aid, though.

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        The military budget isn’t even that large. You realize that Medicare, Medicaid, and Ss all used to be under HHS. They took it out because then people would realize that’s actually where something like 82% of our budget goes.

        And before you go, “military spending is 40% or whatever” that’s literally because they STOPPED including medicare/medicaid/SS (not all of them but I forget which ones) in those budget numbers. In reality, HHS, MC/MC, and SS EACH are larger line items than military spending.

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          Bro I’m not engaging with a person who wants to end all foreign aid. That could not possibly be a worse position to hold.

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      The lower they are, the higher you seem. Helping the poor is never in their interest. If you are not poor, they are not rich.

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      1. Student loans through FAFSA are not and never were predatory. The real crime is they’re essentially the Kat Williams Bad Credit, No Credit, Unapproved Credit loans made real with no limits and no denials and so colleges, seeing free money (hey look, basically printing money for them, so Federal Reserve-like) jacked prices as high as they could.
      2. People should look at that cause and effect and realize that’s what forcing higher minimum wage does, handing out free money does, unilaterally absolving people of valid debt does, etc. Rather than demanding MORE money (because again, the only winner there is the tax man, every one else loses) they should be demanding answers for:
      3. Why have price of goods unnecessarily increased?
      4. Why has the purchasing power of the dollar gone to shit?
      5. Plot Twist: it’s government the whole way down.
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        Student loans through FAFSA are not and never were predatory.

        You’re really gonna sit here and try to tell me that a loan for the cost of education being 3-4 times what it should be isn’t predatory? All the while force feeding the narrative to children that if they don’t go to college they can’t be productive members of society?

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          Glossing over the larger deal in that most people sign up for them as minors and they can’t be cleared through bankruptcy.