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āThe resolution suggests that all anti-Zionismāit statesāis antisemitism. Thatās either intellectually disingenuous or just factually wrong,ā said New York Representative Jerry Nadler, who voted present. āThe authors if they were at all familiar with Jewish history & culture should know about Jewish anti-Zionism that was and is expressly not antisemitic. This resolution ignores the fact that even today, certain Orthodox Hasidic Jewish communities ā¦ have held views that are at odds with the modern Zionist conception.ā
Itās very easy to replace Israel with another state in the same place without killing or moving everyone.
Israel is an ethnostate. Ethnostates are bad. Ethnostates that are religiously motivated are doubly bad.
Israel could be a secular state that treated all ethnicities equally with zero loss in life or need for anyone to leave the area.
They chose not to.
Itās not antisemitism to acknowledge this.
Oh nation building. The US is pretty good at that. I mean, isnāt that how we got here in the first place? Moving a bunch of religious fanatics out of their holy land to make room for the displaced victims of a genocide?
Deflecting, are we?
Not at all, I just donāt think your solution is feasible. The Israeli leadership will not step down peacefully, and Hamas will not accept anything less than total victory. Youāre suggesting a third party take control? Or do you think suddenly everyone involved will just forget all the murder and start singing ākumbayaā?
Lol. Really bad attempt at pivoting.
What pivot? Thatās the argument presented. āThe end of Israel does not require violence because Western nations can build a better nation for the Jewish and Palestinian peoples to live in harmony.ā Does that actually deserve a full rebuttal?
Thatās not how it started at all, the Brits have a lot more to do with this one.
Naturally, but do we expect to be better at it?
I think I may have misunderstood you, I thought you were saying that America was responsible for Israel.
No thatās my fault, I see why thatās what it sounded like. It was intended as two different points.
The US has a bad record of nation building.
Israel exists because of failed nation building, specifically how the UK controlled Palestine and started encouraging Jewish migration to the holy land, displacing Palestinians.