But I suspect from your usage of the word “dengoid” (do I have to point out the racist roots?) that you’re not doing this in good faith.
Shouldve looked at my name before pulling that card. This is why most of the US hates western leftists. It’s disingenuous and conniving behaviour.
“all of you defending luna will come begging for forgiveness and I will not give any”?
I literally have no idea what this is referring to. I’ve seen some videos of Haz but I don’t particularly care for youtube culture nor do I want to be involved in the soap operas of it. I would have to know the context in which this was said.
Would rather appeal to the far-right than other communists, where have I seen that before? 🤔
You just straight up ignored the fact he suppressed and deplatformed other communists of subs he modded. Haz says he wants to appeal to far rightoids. Who cares? Haz wasn’t stopping BayArea from having any mention of his name enter his sub or trying to cancel him.
To be fair though I have no idea who bayarea was appealing to besides Sakai’ists. His own ego and patreon account I imagine…
I’ve no idea to make this judgement (RE: appealing to far right or the “left” in USA as I’m not from there) but I know I would rather appeal to far right than most of the Left and even those who call themselves communist in my country. Far right usually have just gone down conspiracy culture. Linking that to capital and capitalists is not very hard.
I will tell you now though I prefer appealing to far right over a corporate lawyer and Sakai’ist that claimed he was “POC” and “Latin” whilst not even speaking Spanish
Also it is my firm belief that the rightists will balkanise USA in the next ten years. There is a good chance the rightists and trump supporters (that will balkanise the USA) can switch sides during that time and make the impending revolution/balkanisation a socialist one.
The current US left is not capable of anything. (Just my opinion but I can see why he would appeal to rightoids)
How could anyone support Deng with a straight face?
Deng was responsible for repressing Jiang Qing and her 3 closest comrades then waged a relentless propaganda campaign against them. Even broadcasting their trial on live TV!
The only good thing Deng did was roll tanks over the counter-revolutionaries at Tienanmen.
But even on that point, Jiang Qing was correct in asserting “Deng Xiaoping let in all those Westerns ideas”.
don’t support the direction the CPC has been heading towards after Deng?
Dengoids like to pretend that Deng was playing 5d chess and was upholding socialism.
All he did was align China with the USA against the Soviet Union and force the Chinese people into embittered wage slavery in the service of Western multinational corporations.
Corruption was so bad before Xi Jinping came to power that you could kill a person in China and get off scot free for $5000. That was the wonderful paradise Deng created the price of murder dictated by the “socialist market” being $5000
**That being said **I fully support Chinas rise whether Socialist or capitalist at this juncture in history. But if Deng had not defeated then propagandised against the MLs in CPC - Chinas development would’ve been more balanced and the West would never have entered into their “end of history” phase. Instead they would be wracked with social upheaval at not being able to access cheap Chinese goods to offset declining living standards, China wouldn’t have become so polluted and it’s overall economic development would’ve been better.
Full opinion is in this book. I am currently scanning it so might be able to link a pdf
Dengoid has racist roots in that it’s the same ending as words such as Caucasoid, Mongoloid or N*groid. Used to denote a very neutral “relating to a group of people formerly considered to constitute a race of humans having X ancestry and classified according to physical traits” but it’s really just white supremacist 19th century “science”.
Regardless I don’t see the point of inviting discord between communists, MLs especially, when we should be promoting understanding and coexistence. Dengoid remains an insult and will just shut people off.
This is my gripe with people like Haz, incidentally, and the whole breadtube crowd. The overconfident type, the never-can-be-proven-wrong, because they’re sure they’ve read everything and that they understand all this knowledge better than others, as if we haven’t all been there. This was his response to his one-sided fight with Luna: https://showinfrared.substack.com/p/exposing-the-fraud-that-is-luna-oi?justPublished=true, I only read the preface because, wow, imagine writing a book over a twitter fight that lasted one evening. But he’s made his allegiance clear. His brand of “patriotic socialism” that Maupin also espouses (who met with the founder of nazbol ideology several times) appeals to the far-right, compromising the essence of marxism to placate fascists but here he made it clear he has no compassion at all for communists who don’t follow him as, in his opinion, they are not actual communists.
Regardless I don’t see the point of inviting discord between communists, MLs especially, when we should be promoting understanding and coexistence. Dengoid remains an insult and will just shut people off.
I quote Marx here: “Our task is that of ruthless criticism, and much more against ostensible friends than against open enemies; and in maintaining this our position we gladly forego cheap democratic popularity.” http://hiaw.org/defcon6/works/1850/04/kinkel.html
But he’s made his allegiance clear. His brand of “patriotic socialism” that Maupin also espouses (who met with the founder of nazbol ideology several times) appeals to the far-right, compromising the essence of marxism to placate fascists but here he made it clear he has no compassion at all for communists who don’t follow him as, in his opinion, they are not actual communists.
This attempted character assassination would work except I’m already familiar with the people and movements you mentioned. You mean Dugin? Dugin is worth reading to understand conservative resistance to imperialism. What’s more “NazBol ideology” when you really look into it is basically Social-democrats that have pinched a few ideas from Lenin and tried to incorporate nationalism. It essentially was born out of the 1990s and the sheer confusion of the time. In reality you can fit every single NazBol on earth in one room. They quickly dissolved into the “Other Russia” party showing they were a product of 1990s Russia and that “NazBol ideology” is just another slander against Marxist-Leninists now that communist has become cool.
Just an FYI on this: Black Lenin (Beness Aijo) was in the NazBol party when he was in Russia then joining some other communist parties and he participated in many brave and heroic actions in recent years.
Beness Aijo, an actual “nazbol”, has been out killing nazis in Ukraine.
appeals to the far-right, compromising the essence of marxism to placate fascists but here he made it clear he has no compassion at all for communists who don’t follow him as, in his opinion, they are not actual communists.
Do you have compassion for anarchists or trotskyites? But back on topic Haz is not stopping other people doing stuff. He’s criticising them. Bayarea was actively suppressing other communists
I only read the preface because, wow, imagine writing a book over a twitter fight that lasted one evening. But he’s made his allegiance clear.
Shouldve looked at my name before pulling that card. This is why most of the US hates western leftists. It’s disingenuous and conniving behaviour.
I literally have no idea what this is referring to. I’ve seen some videos of Haz but I don’t particularly care for youtube culture nor do I want to be involved in the soap operas of it. I would have to know the context in which this was said.
You just straight up ignored the fact he suppressed and deplatformed other communists of subs he modded. Haz says he wants to appeal to far rightoids. Who cares? Haz wasn’t stopping BayArea from having any mention of his name enter his sub or trying to cancel him.
To be fair though I have no idea who bayarea was appealing to besides Sakai’ists. His own ego and patreon account I imagine…
I’ve no idea to make this judgement (RE: appealing to far right or the “left” in USA as I’m not from there) but I know I would rather appeal to far right than most of the Left and even those who call themselves communist in my country. Far right usually have just gone down conspiracy culture. Linking that to capital and capitalists is not very hard.
I will tell you now though I prefer appealing to far right over a corporate lawyer and Sakai’ist that claimed he was “POC” and “Latin” whilst not even speaking Spanish
Also it is my firm belief that the rightists will balkanise USA in the next ten years. There is a good chance the rightists and trump supporters (that will balkanise the USA) can switch sides during that time and make the impending revolution/balkanisation a socialist one.
The current US left is not capable of anything. (Just my opinion but I can see why he would appeal to rightoids)
Am I correct then in assuming you are of Chinese origins but don’t support the direction the CPC has been heading towards after Deng?
Yes
How could anyone support Deng with a straight face?
Deng was responsible for repressing Jiang Qing and her 3 closest comrades then waged a relentless propaganda campaign against them. Even broadcasting their trial on live TV!
The only good thing Deng did was roll tanks over the counter-revolutionaries at Tienanmen.
But even on that point, Jiang Qing was correct in asserting “Deng Xiaoping let in all those Westerns ideas”.
Dengoids like to pretend that Deng was playing 5d chess and was upholding socialism.
All he did was align China with the USA against the Soviet Union and force the Chinese people into embittered wage slavery in the service of Western multinational corporations.
Corruption was so bad before Xi Jinping came to power that you could kill a person in China and get off scot free for $5000. That was the wonderful paradise Deng created the price of murder dictated by the “socialist market” being $5000
**That being said **I fully support Chinas rise whether Socialist or capitalist at this juncture in history. But if Deng had not defeated then propagandised against the MLs in CPC - Chinas development would’ve been more balanced and the West would never have entered into their “end of history” phase. Instead they would be wracked with social upheaval at not being able to access cheap Chinese goods to offset declining living standards, China wouldn’t have become so polluted and it’s overall economic development would’ve been better.
Full opinion is in this book. I am currently scanning it so might be able to link a pdf
Thanks for the exhaustive & comprehensive answer.
Dengoid has racist roots in that it’s the same ending as words such as Caucasoid, Mongoloid or N*groid. Used to denote a very neutral “relating to a group of people formerly considered to constitute a race of humans having X ancestry and classified according to physical traits” but it’s really just white supremacist 19th century “science”.
Regardless I don’t see the point of inviting discord between communists, MLs especially, when we should be promoting understanding and coexistence. Dengoid remains an insult and will just shut people off.
This is my gripe with people like Haz, incidentally, and the whole breadtube crowd. The overconfident type, the never-can-be-proven-wrong, because they’re sure they’ve read everything and that they understand all this knowledge better than others, as if we haven’t all been there. This was his response to his one-sided fight with Luna: https://showinfrared.substack.com/p/exposing-the-fraud-that-is-luna-oi?justPublished=true, I only read the preface because, wow, imagine writing a book over a twitter fight that lasted one evening. But he’s made his allegiance clear. His brand of “patriotic socialism” that Maupin also espouses (who met with the founder of nazbol ideology several times) appeals to the far-right, compromising the essence of marxism to placate fascists but here he made it clear he has no compassion at all for communists who don’t follow him as, in his opinion, they are not actual communists.
I quote Marx here: “Our task is that of ruthless criticism, and much more against ostensible friends than against open enemies; and in maintaining this our position we gladly forego cheap democratic popularity.” http://hiaw.org/defcon6/works/1850/04/kinkel.html
This attempted character assassination would work except I’m already familiar with the people and movements you mentioned. You mean Dugin? Dugin is worth reading to understand conservative resistance to imperialism. What’s more “NazBol ideology” when you really look into it is basically Social-democrats that have pinched a few ideas from Lenin and tried to incorporate nationalism. It essentially was born out of the 1990s and the sheer confusion of the time. In reality you can fit every single NazBol on earth in one room. They quickly dissolved into the “Other Russia” party showing they were a product of 1990s Russia and that “NazBol ideology” is just another slander against Marxist-Leninists now that communist has become cool.
Just an FYI on this: Black Lenin (Beness Aijo) was in the NazBol party when he was in Russia then joining some other communist parties and he participated in many brave and heroic actions in recent years.
Beness Aijo, an actual “nazbol”, has been out killing nazis in Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beness_Aijo
Do you have compassion for anarchists or trotskyites? But back on topic Haz is not stopping other people doing stuff. He’s criticising them. Bayarea was actively suppressing other communists
I’ll have a read of the article he wrote, thanks