Not willing to give them ideas so fast.
That’s something that popped in my head as soon as I started in here, not so long ago.
But there’s nothing to prevent that, right? I mean, Meta could very well create a meta instance on Lemmy or Kbin or Mastodon or in all of them, bring a bunch of users, sprinkle in some ads because why not.
Sure, they could be defederated from more restrictive insfances. In the bigger picture, every other instance could boycott them, but they would surely federate among themselves (Elon meets Mark, ugh). They also have all the computational power and would have no problem being the largest instances in the Fediverse.
Then what? Is that feasible? Probable? My utopian future about a free, descentralized Fediverse is a lie?
Why not? With the structure of the Fediverse, it’s impossible for anyone to lock their users to their particular instance, and if their users prove to be problematic, they’ll just get defederated.
And if someone can run an instance like a business and still federate, more power to them. Labor should be paid.
That would be a good way to bring normal people closer and closer to using open source software and protocols.
I don’t think that it would mean that Fediverse won’t be free anymore. With their own instances of Lemmy, the corporations could just control their side while leaving the rest of the Fediverse alone. It’s, as someone said, like email: you can have your own email account in even your own email server and get in touch with other email addresses from other email providers
We do it’s called ‘beehaw’
okay I laughed at this
How is beehaw corporate?
Please, let’s not popularize the “/s” here
I already got vote massacred cause I made a joke about displaying Nazi logos being illegal, since that neighborhood in…Chicago? outlawed the trans flag(where I was clearly on the right side) and people assumed I was making an actual, factual argument for the nazis. It’s necessary sometimes lol
I am new here and out of the loop. Can you explain?
Beehaw defederated from some of the larger Lemmy instances due to problem users and limited moderation abilities (Lemmy as a platform, limited staff). As one of the larger Lemmy instances themselves and where many Reddit folks went, this rubbed some people the wrong way. Beehaw has a specific idea about the community they want and are proactive in protecting that vision, I don’t know how this makes them “corporate” but there you go.
I’m all for corporate instances as long as we get a bunch of them - the one thing we really do need to avoid is a situation where one company dominates the “open” Fediverse to the extent that they can turn around and murder it, like Google did with Usenet.
I’m not familiar with the Google Usenet story. What happened?
Basically Usenet was already waning, and google bought dejanews and turned it into google groups, which was a potential lifeline, then they stripped Usenet functionality out of the product over time.
TIL
Ultimately, that is down to user behaviour.
So when I read that, I thought you meant instances owned by corporations. I think it’d be pretty nice to go to lemmy.microsoft.com and they’d have groups for all the Microsoft products where users could get support, learn about updates, etc. And you’d know it was an official community because it was hosted by Microsoft. But you could federate, and wouldn’t have to make a forum account for every single company you wanted to interact with. I’m imagining lemmy.apple.com, lemmy.microsoft.com, lemmy.sonos.com, lemmy.linksys.com, whatever. I’d like that.
Right. With federation, it’s only an addition to the network, not supplanting it.
If it makes money, they will come.
With social sites, money comes from ads, and ads work better served to tons of people. So, if they see millions of people active (anywhere on the internet, not just fediverse), some marketing piece of shit will deem it an “untapped market” and it will begin.
Thing is though, servers are not run by corporations (they could be, of course), so maybe it will be different. But be honest, if you ran a very popular server for free, and someone offered you $2M a year to run some ads… you’re doing it. This is inevitable given growth.
Maybe everyone will be comfortable with server hopping anyway and it won’t be like it is with Reddit. Idk just having fun for now, actually posting on something for the first time in years because it’s small enough that real people actually talk back hah, riding that as long as I can
We probably want all instances of substantial size to run under incorporated legal entities, because then there’s a legal entity that can collect the donation money, be cooperatively owned, have a DMCA registered agent, get registered as a nonprofit, and so on. We don’t want instance operators personally owing Nintendo a jillion dollars when they try and come for the Zelda memes or whatever.
I don’t think the important line here is individual vs. legal fiction, it’s whose interests (users vs. owners) the instance is set up to serve.
That’s a good idea for all instance owners also to limit their liability. If someone posts about a Nintendo emulator and Daddy Mario sues you then the only thing at risk is the server rather than the instance owners house.
Edit: nvm you mentioned that
Treat federation like email. Gmail didn’t ruin email.
If I can still access all of that content from kbin or lemmy, what’s the problem? I get their content, but they can’t serve me ads, change kbin’s feed algorithm, or have control over anything outside their one instance.
I mean, they could probably still serve ads disguised as content - just send it along with the “genuine” posts without differentiating. That said, at least I can block their content from showing in my feed if I want to.
I’m all for it.
Yep. Just look at me over there in Reddit the last few days. Almost looks like I make money off of Lemmy.
Most certainly if this grows big enough corporations will join in if only to market whatever products to the userbase.
What you can do is to work on supporting/curating instances which don‘t want this. Try to see what kind of people are in charge and what their reaction would be. For example I‘m also on an instance (http://lemmy.dbzer0.com/) created by a r/piracy mod who I‘m fairly certain wouldn‘t federate with corporations or let his instance be controlled by them.
Lemmy.ml which I‘m also on, probably not positive with US companies, but might federate with Chinese companies.
What makes all this not a big concern for me is how easy it is for me to drop an instance and go to another one, but I‘m also not attached to my users in general, hopefully we can get some export/import functions for cases where we need to abandon somewhere (unless it exists and I haven‘t seen it yet?).
Didn’t meta announce they were gonna make a fediverse thing?
This new decentralized app, codenamed P92, is still under development — as first reported by MoneyControl. According to the documents seen by the publication, the app will let users log-in through their Instagram credentials. This could irk people who might not want to share that data with another Meta app.
This really smells like a “plug the hole” operation where they see users might possibly migrate to an alternative to their services that they can’t simply buy out.
I’m basically all for it. The Fediverse is supposed to be an inclusive place, for everyone. Then we all get to decide if we don’t want to hear from someone and can block them from our instance, or even block an entire instance. It wouldn’t be terribly inclusive though if we started dictating who could and could not be part of the Fediverse.
Meta is making a Mastodon-compatible Twitter-replacement app. The Beta is already done with sone populair influences and it’s supposed to go live sometimes soon afaik.
Otherwise, Mozilla has a Mastodon instance. Depending on how commercial/big you need to be to count as a “corperate instance” to you, there are a few more.
