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  • tomkatt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I’m not down to subscribe ongoing (because I definitely will forget and think some fraud popped up), but I made a one time donation, and will likely make additional donations in the coming months and weeks. I’d love for this platform to thrive and have no qualms throwing up a few bucks for that here and there.

  • NSA_Server_04@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Holy smokes, growing 25 times larger in 2 weeks. Keep up the good work! I just need a good mobile app for iOS, beta is full according to test flight lol.

      • Azzu@feddit.deEnglish
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        2 years ago

        To be precise, they were talking about monthly active users in the post, not total user accounts, which you are talking about. Might be that their stats only count people who actually voted/commented/posted something.

      • deweydecibel@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        I’d say it’s an achievement that it survived the chaos and hasn’t yet buckled under the traffic or the chaos of managing the influx of users that probably don’t even bother reading rules.

        I mean, this place was absolutely not prepared for this, and it definitely has a ways to go yet, but it’s come out a week later in a much healthier place than I expected.

      • FaceDeer@kbin.social
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        2 years ago

        Yeah, this has been one of those black swan events. Nobody could have predicted Reddit would shoot themselves so vigorously in the feet like this.

        Well, nobody could have predicted when or how Reddit would shoot themselves so vigorously in the feet. I think a lot of folks have been expecting them to do it eventually.

        • kestrel7@kbin.social
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          2 years ago

          IMO Reddit had been sinking into enshittification since New Reddit came around, with the suggested posts and the ads.

          However. No one expected the process to lurch forward so quickly. I think the Reddit admins were trying to enshittify things slowly, but after looking at what happened with Twitter in the last year or so, they realized they could “tear the bandaid off” so to speak, and maintain (perhaps I should say attain?) profitability.

          It’s a bunch of horseshit. I was never comfortable with so much of the internet being concentrated into corporate-owned spaces and I’m glad to see that other people feel the same way.

          • FaceDeer@kbin.social
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            2 years ago

            I also wouldn’t be surprised if their venture capital angels had finally told them “enough, we’re not going to keep throwing good money after bad indefinitely. We’re cutting you off, get profitable.”

            Speaking purely as an armchair CEO, I think they could have done it by trimming the fat and making a few minor adjustments (a reasonable API price, for example). They have an income stream, they just needed to learn to live within that income stream’s means. But modern capitalism’s credo is “grow, grow, grow! Always grow!” And so that’s not the direction they went, and ironically I think it’s ultimately going to kill them.

        • scrux@lemmy.world
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          2 years ago

          It was so sudden though. 1 month notice that the app I use was going to be gone. I don’t use Reddit outside of third party apps so here I am….

  • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Feels so common to me as a web developer to find another instance of people seeing Web Sockets as really cool, and then tragically deciding they don’t fit due to scaling problems.

    The occasional live comment update is kind of nice, but the glitches and other performance problems it causes weren’t generally worth it.

  • kinther@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I’m pledging $5/month each to mastodon.world and the lemmy devs. I recently quit drinking, so this is a drop in the bucket compared to what I used to spend monthly on alcohol.

    • DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social
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      2 years ago

      Not sure if I’m getting wooshed or not, but you should know the lemmy devs are tankies who deny the Uyghur genocide. Your money is better spent going to non-affiliated instance admins to keep their servers running.

      • 🇺🇦 seirim @lemmy.pro
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        2 years ago

        Cool, I’m definitely not ok with the tankie stuff and the denialism you refer to. I actually live in China and am critical of such points as much as I dare to be considering I have family here. I already have my own instance (lemmy.pro) on a robust server so yep, that’s a good way for me to contribute and I’m already doing that.

  • sylverstream@lemmy.nzEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Thanks for sharing.

    I love Lemmy, but I’m not a fan of the pressure for recurring subscriptions. Via Opencollective I was able to do a one-time payment.

  • MiddleWeigh@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    How many people were turned away by the whole tankie thing I wonder…hmmm

    Imagine hearing some vague bs and making a distinct and principaled opinion about an entire universe of information.

    Even if they are some flavor of doo doo, we take it, and make it what we want. I just don’t see the point in outright noping. At least in this instance.

    • Widget@kbin.social
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      2 years ago

      If people really care there’s also kbin, which is the same content just with a different (imo better) UI.

      • kestrel7@kbin.social
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        2 years ago

        Yeah I’m a pretty left-wing guy myself but I just like the kbin interface more. I think it’s really cool how this stuff all works together. That’s the real dream of communism!

      • MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        I just happened to get on lemmy at first. It was largely coincidence. Perhaps I’ll try kbin, but this working how I need. I’m not real picky. I just like to write comments tbh.

          • Freeman@lemmy.pub
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            2 years ago

            Did you ever get it up. I tried both the docker and vps methods on both Debian and Ubuntu. Never could get it to connect.

            Part of it is some of my unfamiliarity with some of the tools and their purpose (namely redis and rabbitmq). But all I got was 500 errors and when looking at service logs, everything was clean.

  • Zebov@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I’ve never subscribed to any of these things, due to multiple reasons like being broke, because I knew I’d never remember to cancel it if I quit using the service, hating subscriptions, realizing most of these collapse almost as fast as they skyrocket, among many other reasons. I know I’m a pessimist.

    But it’s time to put my money where my mouth is, even if I just want a Reddit alternative. I’m old and grumpy enough to be sick of companies using people the way they do, and since I can’t code, I can pay.

    If you’ve read this far, I implore you to really sit down and think about what this project means to you, what it could mean to you, and what it’s worth to you. Everyone does the whole coffee analogy - give up coffee for a day and you can support X. But as a Reddit refugee, I think that if I was willing to give Reddit a couple bucks a month to an app for their API access, why on earth wouldn’t I do the same here (even before all of Reddit’s recent BS)?

    You can either pay or be the product being sold.

  • ghariksforge@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I’m going to donate to these guys. It’s the least we can do considering how busy they have been since the reddit uprising.

  • thedarkfly@feddit.nlEnglish
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    2 years ago

    It seems to have become a habit that most good things about the internet is linked to the EU. I’m really grateful. That being said, I hope that Lemmy can become a collaborative project uniting a lot of devs rather than rely on two people.

    About the scandal; as long as their opinions do not influence the platform I don’t see them as relevant to Lemmy. If they are illegal, let justice do its work.

            • rainfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              You leave reddit because the ceo introduces shitty pricing but you don’t mind the main devs being literal fascists?

              • Rick@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                The project is open source and anyone can create instances, that’s why its irrelevant.

                • rainfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  The way it works in practice is that the largest instances are where most people go. What is stopping those devs from imposing their views on the community, e.g. by censoring?

              • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]English
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                2 years ago

                Girl calm down, please just take a step back. Maybe read up on communism or communists / the far left before blaring off takes like this. I’m not an ML and not a fan of them as an anarchist, but this is suchhhhh an overreaction to what they actually said.

                Additionally if you don’t like the dev team, then fork it. Or volunteer to be on the core team. Submit some PRs. Start your own alternative. One of the cool things about having anticapitalists develop software is that it is open and you can do that. It actively does the opposite of what capitalism wants us to do. I think just that fact alone should make you pause and maybe reassess the language you’re using (Hitler and other fascists rose to power actively aided and funded by capitalists because it helped retain their power).

              • Defaced@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                The beauty of federated networks is you can avoid the platforms with these kinds of people altogether. I typically avoid lemmy.ml altogether unless I don’t have a choice and even then it’s pretty easily to find alternatives.

              • orcrist@lemm.eeEnglish
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                2 years ago

                Reddit is in hot water because of its actions as they affect various user groups, not because the CEO has a political view that’s undesirable.

                Of course political protests could be done, but that’s not what happened here, and you know this.

              • thedarkfly@feddit.nlEnglish
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                2 years ago

                Reddit’s admins are taking decisions based on their worldviews and objectives that affect the content of Reddit, i.e. what we can talk about, what we can do, what tools we can use, what information we can access…

                As of my current knowledge, the worldviews of Lemmy’s devs (that I certainly don’t share) don’t affect content on instances that they do not administrate or moderate. Even if they were building and shaping instances around hatespeech (which I don’t know they do), I’d simply block them and let the police and justice act on the potential crimes or offence they may do.

          • spirit@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 years ago

            Update 3: @dessalines@lemmy.ml did stated they (singular) disagree that a genocide is taking place.

            Update 2: My conclusion

            Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that

            On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

            Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml

            • iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Wow…thanks. I had no idea this was ongoing. As someone living in Asia and seeing these issues from up close, these ring close to home. I’ll be paying attention for any of these…moderations.

                • Nadya@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

                  Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile

                  Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.

                  Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

                  Step 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”

                  Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”

                  “Misinformation”.

                  What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

                  E:

                  Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

                  Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/

                • Nadya@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  You even get a second reply. Because…

                  Even if there wasn’t enough evidence that dessalines is parentis_shotgun - it doesn’t matter! dessalines does not deny being a Tankie and makes no efforts to hide their political thoughts. You can go to lemmy.ml and read through dessalines posts. Find the one where they say “I’m not exactly hiding my politics” and link to their essays on Github. Or you can just go to the essays from their Github profile after confirming that the dessalines that is a Lemmy dev is the same dessalines that is admin on Lemmy.ml and find the link to their essays that way.

                  There you can see they attempt to answer many questions. Some generic to Communism - but many more defending Tankie talking points such as:

                  Did the Soviet Union manufacture a famine in Ukraine? What about the Holodomor?

                  Where they link to articles that deny the genocide.

                  And also defend Stalin by linking to revisionist propaganda:

                  What about Stalin? Didn’t he kill millions?

                  And deny that the Cheka secret police murdered millions of people as ordered by The State:

                  Did the Soviet Union repress and kill millions of people?

                  They deny the Tiananmen Square massacre - calling it a propaganda hoax:

                  What about the Tiananmen square massacre?

                  Their defense of China’s 1-child policy? “60,000,000 girls weren’t killed from infanticide. Only 35,000,000 were.” and they provide no other explanation for the severe gender imbalance that China has:

                  Did China really kill / commit infanticide on millions of girls during the 1-child policy?

                  There isn’t any need to prove that dessalines is parentis_shotgun in order to claim that dessalines is a Tankie. dessalines is very openly a Tankie. One only needs to read the political thoughts that they openly share.

                • Nadya@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Seeing as you’re spamming this reply - I’ll go ahead and spam my response to it.

                  Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

                  Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile

                  Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.

                  Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

                  Step 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”

                  Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”

                  “Misinformation”.

                  Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

                  Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

                  Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/

                • Nadya@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

                  Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile

                  Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.

                  Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

                  Step 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”

                  Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”

                  “Misinformation”.

                  Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

                  Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

                  Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/

                • Nadya@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Seeing as you’re spamming this reply - I’ll go ahead and spam my response to it.

                  Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

                  Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile

                  Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.

                  Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

                  Step 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”

                  Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”

                  “Misinformation”.

                  Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

                  Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

                  Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/

                • Snowpix@yiffit.netEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  I never said anything about that person, your copy/paste comment is not relevant to what I said. I don’t hate the devs, I said the comments section of the post that was linked to is a dumpster fire of tankies and genocide apologists.

                • Nadya@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Seeing as you’re spamming this reply - I’ll go ahead and spam my response to it.

                  Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

                  Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile

                  Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.

                  Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

                  Step 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”

                  Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”

                  “Misinformation”.

                  Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

                  Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

                  Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/

              • A_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                You mean to say : except for that excellent comment you replied to ?

                • Snowpix@yiffit.netEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  I’m referring to the comments section on the post he linked to, where half the comments are tankies trying to defend the actions of the admins who were banning users and calling them racist for criticizing the CCP/Kremlin.

            • kestrel7@kbin.social
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              2 years ago

              I believe those people saying lemmy is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy were being sarcastic. Thanks for rounding this up though, I appreciate people who do the due diligence.

                • Nadya@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Seeing as you’re spamming this reply - I’ll go ahead and spam my response to it.

                  Since you didn’t notice that in that post /u/parentis_shotgun claims to have made Jerboa and links to it - which links to github.com/dessalines/jerboa - you’re not very observant so I’ll provide you with some alternative posts as evidence.

                  Step 1) Visit /u/parentis_shotgun’s profile

                  Step 2) Old PgDn to load some posts. Find the one that says nothing but “Yes” on it. This post specifically.

                  Step 3) Click Context to see which question it is answering

                  Step 4) Read the question: “Wait a second, are you the same dessalines that narrated my The State and Revolution by Lenin and Fascism: What it is and how to fight it by Trotsky?”

                  Step 5) See /u/parentis_shotgun’s response: “Yes.”

                  “Misinformation”.

                  Ask yourself: What exactly do you get out of defending Tankies?

                  Alternative route #1: Find parentis_shotgun’s post about creating thumb-key - a privacy-conscious Android keyboard made for your thumbs. Notice it links to a Github profile for dessalines.

                  Alternative route #2: Find this post where they keep their “communist 101s” on dessalines.github.io/essays/

            • MrFlamey@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              It’s definitely good to have people like you investigating the backgrounds of key developers, as there might be ulterior motives behind them developing open platforms that compete with established Western companies outside of loving the free web and open source. Thank you!

              However, I wonder how many opinions we disagree with would be unearthed by doing this kind of research on every core developer of Chrome, Windows, MacOS, Google or whatever. I think you would find a lot if you get people to air their honest opinions. In today’s climate, if these people were open about certain opinions they might hold (not saying they do, but statistically it’s likely some do) they would just be fired, so it’s easy for large corporations to shake damage to their reputation from having certain staff members. For OSS it is a bit harder, since although developers can be pushed out, and software can be forked, it’s all open and it’s harder to understate the contribution to the source code etc. that such a person could have contributed.

              It does kind of suck when you hear that developers working on software you like have wildly different worldviews to your own, but sometimes you have to put things in perspective. Having said that, if this guy is the only developer I might feel less than happy about using Lemmy instead of Reddit.

              • Otakeb@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                Personally, I’d rather my open source, decentralized software be developed by a nearly fanatical communist than a slimy entrepreneur/capitalist. Either could try to pull the rug out from under you, but at least one is internally consistent until then…

                • xzite@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  but at least one is internally consistent until then…

                  Having to do the mental gymnastics required to make China not commit genocide does not suggest internal consistency…

                • WolfBearSheep67@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  I’d rather have open source, decentralized software be developed by none of those groups/slimy individual. Doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.

            • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]English
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              2 years ago

              This is so weird to me lol, maybe I’m just odd but it’s so weird seeing McCarthyism still rearing it’s ugly head after what… 5 decades? I am by no means an ML (can’t stand them as an anarchist) but this is wildly blowing out of proportion what @dessalines@lemmy.ml has said and done.

              I mean like why link a ‘Socialist FAQ’ that’s literally just a ton of links to education on socialism and the different schools of thought it has? Not all communists are tankies (not even most) lol. Just generally shows a lack of familiarity with actual leftists / anticapitalists.

              • bob@lemmy.havocperil.ukEnglish
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                2 years ago

                I think it’s more like 7 decades and I thought the same. Reds-under-the-bed is still a thing!

                • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]English
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                  2 years ago

                  Please stop spamming this in the thread, it’s annoying af.

                  Sometimes people just like spreading drama. Other times they just have weird or different beliefs. Accusing someone of having ulterior motives isn’t useful or helpful unless you can demonstrate that this person isn’t just having an internet debate that they feel strongly about.

              • DudePluto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 years ago

                I mean regardless of the devs’ opinions they are forwarding the democratization of information by working on this project

                • DreamerOfImprobableDreams@kbin.social
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                  2 years ago

                  Yeah, honestly, these NED guys seem really cool based on the wikipedia article. It’s nice to find out my tax dollars are actually supporting something positive every now and again :)

            • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 years ago

              I saw someone else did a bit of research deeper down in the thread. It seems it’s questionable but they at least “only” control like two federated instances, lemmy.world not being one of them. Of course, still not good to have someone like that in the dev team :/

                • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 years ago

                  yeah. not good at all, I’m not comfortable with it. I don’t understand people who have access to information on the internet and deny anything obvious, no matter whether it’s flat earthers, genocide deniers or ufo believers. how can a brain be this disfunctional?

        • tias@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          2 years ago

          They specifically address this in the article and say it isn’t true.

          On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

          • Enantiophobe@kbin.social
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            2 years ago

            Here is Dessalines denying that any genocide is taking place: https://lemmy.ml/comment/471382

            They can say “we don’t support genocide” all day long, but denying that any genocide is taking place and actively trying to persuade others that no genocide is happening isn’t any better.

            I argue that it unintentionally supports a genocide since they’re using a platform to (inadvertently) hide the genocide from the public by convincing others that nothing of the sort is happening.

            • tias@discuss.tchncs.de
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              2 years ago

              I for one do definitely believe that there is a genocide happening and I’m appalled that we can’t do more about it. But people trust in different sources of information. Not believing that a genocide is happening is not the same as actually endorsing genocide.

    • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.clubEnglish
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      2 years ago

      I’m hoping that I need to worry about the morals of my admin more than the morals of the developers.

      That said, I would expect the Lemmy project is going to need to scale based on the increase in users. Two developers isn’t going to cut it.

    • Frankelton@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Same. If this is going to be my new online home, I’d like to contribute somehow. Especially since I cant code, this works

  • Teflo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    This was a very well written statement and gives me a lot of hope for the future of the platform. I’ll be more than happy to invest my time and effort into it.

  • SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    The rumors actually got to me. I’ve still been using it but wondering when that would be mentioned by the creators. Glad to see it’s false

    • arquebus_x@kbin.social
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      2 years ago

      I’d never seen any of the rumors, went to lemmy.ml for the first time (thinking I might join) and one of the top threads was a complaint that a post with anti-CCP analysis had been taken down by the admins and within 5 minutes of further research I was able to verify that, yes, the admins/devs are tankies. It’s definitely not false.

      So I backed out and switched to kbin.

        • boredtortoise@lemmy.world
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          2 years ago

          Cleanest way to solve the issue according to the dev blog post principles is that those instances (not db0) defederate with others.

          • thoro@lemmy.ml
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            2 years ago

            lemmy.ml is general purpose whereas Lemmygrad is ideological. The first influx of users from Reddit went to Lemmy.ml before Beehaw was spun up and the devs stopped promoting Lemmy.ml.

            Most of these instances already defederate from Lemmygrad.

            I don’t see any reason why they should defederate from Lemmy.ml, the literal largest instance at this time.

            I honestly view calling for this as wrecker behavior.

            • boredtortoise@lemmy.world
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              2 years ago

              .ml is large yes and has some general purpose communities.

              Although, quite clearly and easily confirmable by anyone, it hosts the problematic issues and the related user base described in this thread.

              The whole ethos as described in the blog history of lemmy suggests to let those kinds of instances be on their own. Not wreck the wreckers.

      • Binkoth@lemmy.world
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        2 years ago

        I was completely unaware as well. I’m off to kbin. In my opinion, there is zero chance this doesn’t cause issues down the line and it makes me feel uncomfortable using Lemmy.

    • User Deleted@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      2 years ago

      It doesnt even matter if its true, if a non fascist/tankie made the same code, none of you would be complaining. Why should anything be different just because the devs happen to be a fascist/tankie/ whatever they believe in. They cant control what each instance does once they publish the code. The code is public now and its free for anyone to use. They can’t censor what we say in instances that they don’t control. I mean try it now, you can flip them off right here, right now and they can’t do anything about it, they don’t run lemmy.world. Only the owners of lemmy.world can do something about it.

      • Senokir@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Apart from everything else that has been mentioned I would add that a very real factor is that every instance to my knowledge has a donation button which cannot be removed without forking the project that goes directly to the devs. Plenty of people in this post are saying things like “Wow, glad they cleared that up! I’ll definitely be giving them money” and very likely don’t have the full context. Assuming Lemmy does continue to grow exponentially it wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume that these devs will probably receive a large amount of money in donations from people who may not all be okay with supporting them if they were more informed. So spreading the truth about the devs and not taking their pitiful denial as absolute truth is important even if you believe in the project as a whole.

        • User Deleted@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Oh I didn’t know they asked for donations, I thought they just did it as a hobby. Yea the donation thing is definitely concerning, given the fact that one of the devs have an image of Mao Zedong as a banner on their profile. I guess we as a community could decide to make a fork of it and ask one of us non-tankie non-fascist programmers to continue developing.

      • Nadya@kbin.social
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        2 years ago

        This completely ignores the influence that flagship instances have.

        People don’t become Neo-Nazis without spending time among other Neo-Nazis listening to Neo-Nazi talking points. People don’t become Tankies without spending time among other Tankies listening to Tankie talking points.

        People are more likely than not to join the flagship instance than any of the smaller instances and significantly more likely than starting their own instance. Some of them will realize the kind of people they have found themselves surrounded by and leave. Many more won’t - especially due to general ignorance about Tankies (see this entire thread and the absolutely bizarre common defense of Tankies not being equatable to Nazis when they absolutely are and have resulted in more deaths and suffering than the Nazis ever have or will.) The people who stick around might start thinking the Tankies make some good points. This is how you end up with more Tankies. More Tankies is always a bad thing just like having more Neo-Nazis is always a bad thing.

        Most people have a good sense to not surround themselves with Neo-Nazis. That good sense appears to be missing when dealing with Tankies.

        • Widget@kbin.social
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          2 years ago

          Aren’t the flagship instances right now essentially lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works? Maybe Beehaw once the re-federation gets figured out? And then kbin.social on the kbin side.

          This only matters if you use lemmy.ml, which I would expect to be largely defederated at some point soonish.

          • Nadya@kbin.social
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            2 years ago

            That does seem to have changed since I last cared to look. As dannoffs pointed out - it seems lemmy.ml was unlisted from the join-lemmy.org instances page where previously it was listed as #1 for the Popular section. They also removed the ## users / month metric so the list is no longer guaranteed to be sorted by popularity.

            Just last week - lemmy.world was reporting as 87 users/month and lemmy.ml as 1.6k users/month:

            https://web.archive.org/web/20230608170721/https://join-lemmy.org/instances

            This has of course changed - and unlisting the instance so that it isn’t the most popular instance likely has a lot to do with that. That seemed to happen sometime in the last week - I cbf checking every wayback timestamp to see exactly when.

            I’ve been using Kbin myself so haven’t been following Lemmy very closely. Only whatever happens to reach my page over on kbin.

          • arkcom@kbin.social
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            2 years ago

            At this point they are definitely getting there, but that only been the case for a few days.

        • CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi
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          2 years ago

          lemmy.ml (or even the infamous lemmygrad) was never intended to be the flagship instance afaik. I first signed up on lemmy.ml but one of the first things I saw was a sticky from the devs to choose other instances. That’s primarily why I looked for others (I wasn’t aware of these “rumors” back then). It just happened to be the biggest at that time.

          Personally, as long as their political beliefs aren’t being pushed on lemmy then I don’t see anything wrong. Many of us came from reddit, and they’re not exactly without controversies - that never meant we supported or even believed in some of those.

          The people who stick around might start thinking the Tankies make some good points.

          Then it’s up to them to educate themselves. We’ve all been exposed to things we disagree with.