• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      The topic here is senate Democrats. Biden isn’t in the senate, and as centrists are so fond of saying when they justify the party’s mistreatment of Sanders in the 2016 primary, Sanders isn’t a Democrat.

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        9 months ago

        No. You don’t get to reassign what the topic is about because it’s better for your pessimistic view. Biden is the de facto leader of the Democratic party. What he does is incredibly important for the direction of the party as a whole, and therefore senate democrats.

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          9 months ago

          You don’t get to reassign what the topic is about because it’s better for your pessimistic view.

          Article’s about Senate Democrats. Senate Democrats made sure rail bosses got what they wanted. What Biden and Sanders did afterwards to try to mitigate the betrayal of Senate Democrats is not something Senate Democrats should be given credit for.

          You don’t get to stab workers in the back like Senate Democrats did and then get credit for the work people who aren’t Senate Democrats put in.

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            9 months ago

            The comment I wrote was about the democratic party as a whole. It’s never just the senate, just the house, or just the president when a party moves left.

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              9 months ago

              It’s never just the senate, just the house, or just the president when a party moves left.

              Then you’re also willing to give the entire party credit when they move right, too? Like how the entire party killed BBB? Like how the entire party killed the minimum wage increase? Like how the entire party supports Netanyahu’s genocide? Manchin voted to confirm Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, so the entire party helped kill Roe v Wade.

              If you want to give the entire party credit for the accomplishments of people who aren’t even party members like Sanders, we can certainly go there. Lieberman wasn’t a party member, so the entire party killed the public option.

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                9 months ago

                Then you’re also willing to give the entire party credit when they move right, too?

                Yes. The democratic party is a progressive, liberal party. That means they’re still right of center and make many moves that hurt the working class. But they’ve also been moving left since the 40s. In my state, the democratic party absorbed the Farmer-Labor party and moved significantly more left as a result. They’re still more left than the rest of the nation imo. But because they’re still primarily a liberal party, their progress is slow.

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                  9 months ago

                  But they’ve also been moving left since the 40s.

                  What a ridiculous lie. You’re actually going to sit there and claim that Democrats’ positions today are the result of moving to the left of Democrats during the height of the New Deal.

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                    9 months ago

                    I don’t know what else to tell you. Progress is progress. You don’t get to pick and choose what counts as “real progress”.