The “uncommitted” campaign said it hoped to get 10,000 votes in the Michigan primary. Early returns indicated there might ultimately be more than 150,000 “uncommitted” votes.
This campaign is about the primaries, not the general election. They have not told anyone to vote for Trump.
The Dems took voters for granted in 2016 and got what they deserved. They should be thanking this campaign but shooting the messenger is so much easier, so they won’t.
Any combination of those, and including things like vote manipulation with lots of sock accounts, as well as the posting of links that advance their agenda. Wouldn’t take much at all. You obviously need to make it look natural, it’s not every comment or post on lemmy that gets hundreds of upvotes or downvotes. I’d wager you can significant alter lemmy feeds with like thirty co ordonated accounts so long as you stay on new or hot. The trickier part would be not using the same 30 accounts every time, but even still those numbers are peanuts compared to what troll farms and botters do on other social networks. Compared to that you could probably just loose a few interns on the whole of the fediverse if astro turfing was your goal.
You forgot to quote the bit about this being the primaries, not the general.
And you’re going to have to explain how Clinton was a desperate underdog in 2016 if you want to imply that actually, she did well.
“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” – Chuck Schumer 2016
It depends entirely on whether the Dems are capable of responding to criticism or whether they do their usual la la la can’t hear you.
The problem with obediently voting for the least worst option is that you end up with no good options. Being marginally better than a fascist is not enough. They need turnout and if they want turnout they need to stop fucking over their voters.
Fuck, no. But what the fuck else should we do? Let Trump fuck us over just because Biden sucks? I do not like Biden, either, but I DETEST Trump with every fiber of my being.
i think i saw it was more like 1/500 so it’s more like 0.2%. at least that’s what the betting odds called for stein and west, who are the only two candidates i see that deserve my vote.
Speaking to The Intercept in 2017, she said the notion that it was an “intimate roundtable” was “mythology,” and that Putin and his associates “weren’t at the table for very long.” Stein said that “nobody introduced anybody to anybody” and that she “didn’t hear any words exchanged between English speakers and Russians” due to the lack of a translator.
it was the tenth anniversary of a media outlet that gave her more time than probably all American media combined. she paid her own way. it’s a nothing burger
This campaign is about the primaries, not the general election. They have not told anyone to vote for Trump.
The Dems took voters for granted in 2016 and got what they deserved. They should be thanking this campaign but shooting the messenger is so much easier, so they won’t.
It’s funny to hear all the crybaby dnc sycophants who support genocide saying the same dumb talking points again and again.
I’m starting to think they are bots, because it would get boring just saying the same stupid shit over and over again.
You can directly say you’re voting for Biden in your comment, and they’ll still screech that you want Trump to win.
That’s ok, I regularly screech like a wild banshee lol. This is a silly anonymous online discussion forum.
But yea, the circles the blue no matter who keep running in are laughable.
Its an election year, I guarantee there is significant astro turfing going on in the fediverse. I’d stake my bank account on it.
Sincerely asking what do you mean by astroturfing? Bots? Paid commenters? Something else?
Any combination of those, and including things like vote manipulation with lots of sock accounts, as well as the posting of links that advance their agenda. Wouldn’t take much at all. You obviously need to make it look natural, it’s not every comment or post on lemmy that gets hundreds of upvotes or downvotes. I’d wager you can significant alter lemmy feeds with like thirty co ordonated accounts so long as you stay on new or hot. The trickier part would be not using the same 30 accounts every time, but even still those numbers are peanuts compared to what troll farms and botters do on other social networks. Compared to that you could probably just loose a few interns on the whole of the fediverse if astro turfing was your goal.
Biden is super awesome! (Just to see)
Lmfao, expirementing, smart. Ill abstain from voting to help continue it.
I’m convinced they’re bots, lots of telltale signs of GPT in the style of prose.
They told them not to vote for Biden, which is much the same.
65,853,514 voted for Clinton, over 2.8 million more than voted for Trump.
You forgot to quote the bit about this being the primaries, not the general.
And you’re going to have to explain how Clinton was a desperate underdog in 2016 if you want to imply that actually, she did well.
And they still haven’t learnt anything.
And you do not think those attitudes will carry over into the general?
It depends entirely on whether the Dems are capable of responding to criticism or whether they do their usual la la la can’t hear you.
The problem with obediently voting for the least worst option is that you end up with no good options. Being marginally better than a fascist is not enough. They need turnout and if they want turnout they need to stop fucking over their voters.
You act like Dems voters are a monolith.
And how is this going to generate another option?
I referred to a political party, not its voters.
And, wtf? Are you such an obedient voter that you do not care what they are offering as long as they’re wearing the right colour? Come the fuck on.
Fuck, no. But what the fuck else should we do? Let Trump fuck us over just because Biden sucks? I do not like Biden, either, but I DETEST Trump with every fiber of my being.
Quit the “both sides” bullshit.
You’re reading “both sides”?
Work on your reading comprehension. This sort of braindead centrism should have died 8 years ago
no, it’s not. i expect to have at least 4 options on my ballot, possibly 5 if my donations to cornel west accomplish anything.
And I promise you, all but 2 of those options have a 0.0000% chance of winning. Like it or not, that is the system we have.
i think i saw it was more like 1/500 so it’s more like 0.2%. at least that’s what the betting odds called for stein and west, who are the only two candidates i see that deserve my vote.
Jill Stein, friend of Putin who Russians pushed for to help Trump?
And, no, those odds are way too high. Ross Perot was the last big 3rd party candidate, and he managed 18.9% of the vote. He got zero electoral votes.
from your first link
But why was she there in the first place?
it was the tenth anniversary of a media outlet that gave her more time than probably all American media combined. she paid her own way. it’s a nothing burger
your second link contains actual lies or facts that have changed since it’s publication.
I don’t think so. Stein is a Russian agents.
you can’t prove this, mostly because it’s not true, but partially because there isn’t any proof
then you should take the bet.
What, bet $1,000 to win $0.50 that 3rd party candidates will lose?
no, take 50 cents from anyone who thinks your wrong