• Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Yeah my faith in our justice system has gotten to the point that I can only see one of two potential outcomes realistically happening with Trump’s crimes:

    • No justice. We’ll dance to this song till the day he succumbs to his decades-long hamburder induced suicide.

    • Vigilante justice. Collectively we don’t appear to have the spine for this kind of intervention, but even if we’re talking about the one-in-a-million lone wolf type of incident, we have over 300 one-in-a-millions in the US population to choose from, so I’m honestly kinda surprised we don’t see this kind of shit more often. (to be clear, this is an assessment, not a recommendation)

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      What do you mean by “gotten”? US has forever favored the rich white people.

      like geez, take a look into your history? Segregation was fine till 60-70s. Killing people in mass abroad is okay and war crimes praised and criminals elected presidents. Funding genocide? bipartisan thumbs up.

      Fuck your “justice system”

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        Most of us don’t see that shit growing up. We’re indoctrinated through our entire childhood, then slow-crash as we see example after example of a “broken” system… then finally accept that it’s not broken, it’s working as intended: it’s evil.

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        9 months ago

        …my mixed race kid was a suicide risk…

        Ummm what? Can you elaborate on this further I don’t think I’ve heard this one before.

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            That’s a horrible story. I had an aquaintance tell me when I was early 20s that when I had kids they wouldn’t be as valuable as our friends kids. Why? Because our friends kids are white.

            And, at least in the US, that piece of shit wasn’t wrong, but I didn’t need to hear that.

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                I didn’t need to hear it because I lived it and already knew the reality for non white kids growing up here. I didn’t need a middle aged white man telling me how it is. And I’d rather cut someone like that out of my life for myself, my kids weren’t born then, and they aren’t going to hear that story.

                Your coyote analogy is flawed. This wasn’t an immediate threat that I ignored.

                I know what my job is as a parent, probably better than you do.

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            Someone correctly indicating that mixed race children have lower standards of living in racist countries such as the United States is not someone who should be shunned

            The less “white” someone is, the more likely it is for them to experience negative social, economic, and medical outcomes; this is because the United States is a racist country that intentionally disregards people of color.

            I’m not sure why it’s improper for a friend to acknowledge that unfortunate truth. It’s reality, and clearly you agree with its conclusions on some level if you left the country yourself

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              You seemed to have missed

              bad for the “white” race

              which implies that the mixed race kid is dragging down whites

              If you are an idiot or a cunt now is the time to assure us it isn’t both.

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                If you are an idiot or a cunt now is the time to assure us it isn’t both.

                Is this allowed under the rules of moderation?

                Regardless, obviously talking about a white race is a concerning thing to do. But the rest of the conversation did not appear racist at all.

                In racist countries such as the United States, a mixed race child will have worse outcomes than a “White” child. Which seems to be what this former friend was saying. Idk why that’s so wrong - it’s literally a progressive talking point since 2014, and, really, since the 1960s and the Civil Rights Movement

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                  Alright it is both.

                  The comments were not in the interest of helping the child. The comments were in the interest of criticising the parent, for having a family with a person they love.

                  You are arguing that a person’s lived experiences are akchually different from what his perception was. There was no constructive or uplifting discussion following the factoid being shared. If the “friend” was telling him that some principal went to a cross burning, or some boyscout group leader has SS tattoos, that would have been useful and actionable for the parents. But he didn’t. The advice was, you shouldn’t have done that. Some cunt advice from a supposed “friend”.

                  If you still don’t see the problem, you are a dumb cunt, and sympathizer for racists. Go choke on something rusty you dumb cunt.

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                You’re being a crybully about telling a story that doesn’t make sense

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            So let’s go over this interaction you’re having here:

            • This person described a traumatic life event wherein they are given unbidden “advice” that pretty obviously comes from a place of outright racism, no matter how you wanna dog-whistle it.

            • You started giving them the exact same unbidden advice.

            Do you not feel comically villainous? This is clearly not the time nor the place for this shit, anyone with basic empathy would know that. You’re going way the fuck out of your way just to be an asshole, it’s such a sad way to spend your time.

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              Someone correctly indicating that mixed race children have lower standards of living in racist countries such as the United States is not someone who should be shunned

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                If that were the whole of the situation you might have a point, but you miss out on most nuance and context when you boil it down to “someone who does X is good”

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                  A racist saying that a mixed race child will experience more hardship than a “White” child is just as correct as a NAACP spokesperson saying the same thing. This country is structurally racist, which has real consequences for everyone according to their skin color and ability to pass as “White.”

                  Given that, idk what the friend did wrong - aside from apparently talking about “The White Race,” which is always a weird thing to do, of course

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          You’re not “understanding this right”, but you seem to be enjoying yourself so who am I to judge.

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          discovered 4chan, and switched to giving you extremely valuable warnings about pitfalls your child’s life will contain

          That’s certainly one take, not one that I would’ve reached but it’s definitely a take.

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      I’ve been saying from the start that the prosecution is dragging their feet, hoping he either dies or becomes president, so they don’t have to be the ones who established precedent of their social class facing justice.

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        Almost! You can imagine how frustrated my FBI agent must have been when he got to that disclaimer at the end of the post!

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      Yeah, there was that one unhinged moron who actually found Nancy pelosi’s husband and attacked him with a hammer. As unhinged as that dude was, I liked that. It made me wonder why if this moron can do that, why aren’t the elites constantly getting attacked in the streets.

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        Seven? The election cycle was in full swing in ‘15 and that guy has been screaming and flailing about Obama and anyone standing a centimeter to the left of Nixon for years before that

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    9 months ago

    It’s almost like the deep state is on his side

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    He still has to pay it. He’s been offered a bond which is typical and a small percentage of the total owed paid immediately to prevent further punitive action.

    There’s literally an industry for it (bail bonds) though arguably there shouldn’t be.

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        Same basic system, pay small for now lose appeal pay all.

        And I’m case you didn’t know there’s an industry around “court bonds” as well.

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      The source is here hasn’t paid yet. Normally i would dismiss that as a piss poor argument but until i see a headline saying he paid anything, I’m sticking to that. His legacy is literally not paying. Bills, consequences, fines ,Congressionally approved funds… you name it.

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      Yeah I thought it was about the bond being cut not the actual penalty, or did is miss(understand) something?

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        This allows him to keep it dragging it out in the courts for years without having to pay the full penalty.

        And he only really needs 6 months for the Russian and Saudi money to buy out his shares of Truth Social stock.

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          Only eight months left for him to win the election and he pardons himself from everything

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          Or it makes it so someone doesn’t have to pay a full penalty before due process for something that is basically guaranteed to loose on appeal in the long run. Apparently civil rights matter until it’s one of your enemies.

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            He had his due process and his day in Court. He was found guilty. Multiple times.

            Everyone has to pay the penalty ahead of a appeal.

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            He’ll get that money back if he wins his appeal, which it’s extremely unlikely that he will, but in the meantime the courts must begin collecting it so that the people of New York can be reimbursed for Trumps decades of fraud as soon as the case is closed.

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          If it is a poor then New York will hold them without trial for three years on suspicion of stealing a backpack.

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            The NYPD is awful, New York spent millions of dollars funding police to stop turn stile jumpers on the NYC metro…which was costing the metro a mere fraction of what the NYPD spent to try to stop it.

            This is what success looks like in a neoliberal hellscape where people pretend to be progressive while letting conservatives move the goalposts wherever the hell they want.

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          Yes, if you argue it successfully.

          The people mad about this are almost certainly ignorant of the legal system.

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    I mean, did you ever really expect that he would pay it? If so, stop hitting yourself. He’s never going to face any real consequences. Ever.