• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    Supporting genocide is just too popular

    Well, maybe instead of demanding a candidate to take a losing position and get literally nothing you support, you should work to, I don’t know, make supporting genocide less popular in the electorate?

    Nah, better to do everything you can to sink the less evil of the two candidates. The greater evil will be fine, I’m sure.

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        Damn Genociden Biden© doin the damn Genocide™ in a country that he isn’t the president of! International politics is a simple and uncomplicated thing and Genociden Biden© could surely stop the Genocide™ by asking Netanyahu nicely to be nice. Netanyahu already said they’d pull out of Gaza if he got a nicely worded letter, why doesn’t Genociden Biden© just do it?

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          International politics is a simple and uncomplicated thing

          Idk why you all keep walking into the accusations right on the top line in the memes

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          Nothing is forcing him to sell your single favorite person weapons for your single favorite activity.

          Noting is forcing his administration to go to bat for Netantahu at the UN.

          Stop pretending he’s powerless just because you’re happy that he’s using what power he has to enable genocide.

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            Lol what a stupid comment.

            Stop pretending you understand how foreign policy and appropriations work, you clearly have no idea.

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              You can’t defend Biden’s support for genocide, so you employ gaslighting and abuse instead.

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                You seem to think the genocide started right after October 7th so you make vapid comments about Biden supporting genocide and use it to justify aggressively working to get Trump elected president.

                Instead of acknowledging that international relations are really really hard, that every American president since Israel became a country has supported the genocide of Palestinians (including your boy Trump) and your lack of understanding around the issues you make inane comments trying to make paint Joe Biden as a omnipotent dictator that has unlimited power to control every other country on earth. I also find it interesting you spend a lot of time trying to suppress the vote for Biden in order to get Trump elected because you care oh so much about genocide, but you never use your soap box for divestment from China to stop the genocide of the Uyghurs. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence though.

                You also don’t seem to understand what gaslighting is, which I guess is another trendy buzz word your picked up and decided to work into your vocabulary.

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                  justify aggressively working to get Trump elected president.

                  Genocide supporters interpret all opposition to their single favorite activity to be support for Trump.

                  Instead of acknowledging that international relations are really really hard,

                  And more gaslighting. “We have to support genocide like I want because it’s too complicated for you to understand. It’s not unconscionable. It’s advanced.”

                  that every American president since Israel became a country has supported the genocide of Palestinians

                  “That’s the way we’ve always done it” is a shitty excuse for supporting genocide. And I would like you to provide a source for Jimmy Carter supporting the genocide of Palestinians.

                  and your lack of understanding around the issues you make inane comments trying to make paint Joe Biden as a omnipotent dictator that has unlimited power to control every other country on earth.

                  I didn’t say that. I said he’s supporting genocide. I already explained what he can do to stop supporting genocide. It was such blasphemy to you that you launched into what I correctly identified as gaslighting and abuse.

                  but you never use your soap box for divestment from China to stop the genocide of the Uyghurs. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence though.

                  We’re not selling Xi weapons for genocide, nor are we running interference for him at the UN. I think we should divest from China and should be more outspoken regarding their long history of human rights abuses. But this thread is about the genocide in Gaza. Take your whataboutism elsewhere.

                  You also don’t seem to understand what gaslighting is

                  Ooh. Recursion.

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                  Instead of acknowledging that international relations are really really hard,

                  I don’t think the neocolonialism or the genocide parts of it are hard, and I think most people would agree I’m not that smart

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      maybe instead of demanding a candidate to take a losing position

      TIL actively supporting a genocide is a winning position for democrats.

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        TIL actively supporting a genocide is a winning position for democrats.

        Do I have to explain to you how democracy works?

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            “Most Americans don’t pay close attention to foreign affairs and some 50 years of steady pro-Israel propaganda funded by the Israeli state has entrenched views to the point where the past ~20 years of intensified genocide barely raised a blink in the general population; the current propagandized pro-Israel depiction of the genocide, relying on the atrocities of October 7th, still holds sway in a large percentage of the electorate, as well as the notion of Israel as the ‘only democracy in the Middle East’.”

            Would you like me to chew that sentence up and spit it in your mouth, or is that simplified enough for you to understand as-is?

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              Imagine having so much contempt for the average democratic voter that you think they literally wouldn’t understand what a genocide looks like if you showed it to them.

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                Imagine having so much contempt for the average democratic voter that you think they literally wouldn’t understand what a genocide looks like if you showed it to them.

                Oh, okay, so the overwhelming support for Israel’s genocide these past 20+ years is just, what?

                Please, tell me what the previous support for Israel’s genocide was. I’m interested in hearing what exactly you think it was, if not looking at a genocide and not recognizing it.

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                  Oh, okay, so the overwhelming support for Israel’s genocide these past 20+ years is just, what?

                  Bi-partisan American propaganda.

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                    Bi-partisan American propaganda.

                    So… the electorate looked at a genocide and didn’t recognize it for what it is. Great, glad you agree. Or is it “Imagine having so much contempt for the average democratic voter that you think they literally wouldn’t understand what a genocide looks like if you showed it to them.”?

                    Oh, as a reminder, this is the statement of mine you initially accused me of having contempt for democratic voters with; please spot the difference between your claims of propaganda and mine:

                    “Most Americans don’t pay close attention to foreign affairs and some 50 years of steady pro-Israel propaganda funded by the Israeli state has entrenched views to the point where the past ~20 years of intensified genocide barely raised a blink in the general population; the current propagandized pro-Israel depiction of the genocide, relying on the atrocities of October 7th, still holds sway in a large percentage of the electorate, as well as the notion of Israel as the ‘only democracy in the Middle East’.”