• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    21
    ·
    edit-2
    7 months ago

    Go ahead and draw a line that encompasses these ideologies:

    Libertarians support high social liberty and low economic support

    Democrats Liberals support high social liberty and high economic support

    Republicans Conservatives support low social liberty and low economic support

    Edited to clarify ideology vs. party. My original labels caused a lot of confusion.

    • 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      Republicans support … low economic support

      Except for when it comes to GOP public office holders and corporations. In both those cases Republicans support high economic support.

      • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        11
        ·
        7 months ago

        Low economic support means lower taxes and minimal social programs, along with minimal subsidies and regulations on business.

        • Wrench@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          18
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          Except Republicans fucking love subsidies if it’s for their donors.

          Corn? Oil? Fracking? Tanks for police? Make it rain!

          The poors? Fuck them, let their kids starve. Ohh, and let’s take away their ability to prevent or terminate pregnancies too, so more kids can starve.

          • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            edit-2
            7 months ago

            If there’s money to be had, sure, they want a piece. Conservatives would rather a lower tax and no subsidies and let the free market shake things out. They align with Libertarians on economic policy. Minimal taxes and maximum free market with no purse for social programs or subsidies.

            • Wrench@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              11
              ·
              7 months ago

              Only if you buy their dating profile pic. What they do in reality is the opposite. Red states take a LOT more subsidies than blue.

              • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                9
                ·
                7 months ago

                Again, it’s not that they won’t accept them. Conservatives prefer limiting government in free enterprise. There would be no money for subsidies if the taxes were as low as they’d like them to be. There would also be no money for social services like welfare, SNAP, Medicaid, Medicare, emergency housing, etc.

                • Wrench@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  10
                  ·
                  7 months ago

                  That’s adorable. I bet you think they’re about family values and personal liberties too.

                  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    9
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    7 months ago

                    That’s the high social legislation I was referring to. That’s where they differ from Liberals and Libertarians alike. Conservatives support restrictive legislation on social liberties. Christian Nationalism is a great example.

        • njm1314@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          7 months ago

          It’s kind of silly to think that all political ideologies can be defined on one line isn’t it?

        • DragonTypeWyvern
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          8
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          7 months ago

          Which is a different thing than a spectrum, right? Putting your little data points on a line, assigning number values to seizing the means and chattel slavery?

          • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            7 months ago

            I’m sorry. If conceptualizing political ideologies bores you, then why did you reply to my comment about exactly that?

            • DragonTypeWyvern
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              7 months ago

              Because I was challenging your assumption that it is something you can or should do to derive a meaningful understanding of political beliefs and how they interact with each other, or for that matter, concepts of ethics and morality.

              • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                5
                ·
                edit-2
                7 months ago

                Beliefs and ideology are very different. I was talking about the defining characteristics of established ideologies. Adding personal beliefs only further increases the need for a more robust graph than a line.

                I don’t make assumptions about an individual’s beliefs based on their political alignment. I know too many single-issue voters to make that mistake.

                My assertion about progressives supporting censorship of speech applies to the ideology, not each and every individual that supports the ideology. Many don’t recognize that as authoritarian, because of its good intentions.