• Tattorack@lemmy.world
    784·
    3 days ago

    Unfortunately, when America farts we’re all forced to smell it. America wants Europeans to stay out of American business, buts that’s rather difficult to do when that country demands to be the center of attention.

    • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
      371·
      3 days ago

      America wants Europeans to stay out of American business

      I don’t. Please send help!

        • Tattorack@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 days ago

          Really? Because every time the weather in Finland goes about 10°C I hear my Finnish friends complain like it’s the apocalypse. XD I’m just glad Denmark is having a decent summer this year.

          • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
            11·
            2 days ago

            I’m a big fan of any country voting against the populist trend, so I may ask for asylum in Finland eventually. Although, despite my motivation to learn new languages, that might be a challenge :)

            • Tattorack@lemmy.world
              2·
              2 days ago

              Scandinavia has always been very left side, so it comes to low surprise to me that the left won the European election in Denmark, despite the right trend in the rest of Europe.

              However, I will add that right wing Europe is still pretty left from America. Take Geert Wilders, the new guy from the Netherlands. The policies he wants to enact are stricter laws, more difficulty for immigrants, a stronger police force, street curfews for teenagers (real old man yells at cloud energy), and withdrawal from the climate agreement. All very right wing.

              But… He also wants better funding for hospitals and schools, higher wages for nurses and teachers, more robust free healthcare system, hard caps and regulations on the increasing housing prices, more affordable housing, a more efficient and cost effective energy grid. If an American politician starts talking about these things they’ll be called a communist!

              • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
                21·
                2 days ago

                Scandinavia has always been very left side

                Maybe from a hard neo nazi perspective. Denmark and Sweden especially have right-wing extremist parties (Denmark Democrats + New Right + Danish People’s Party together ~= 14.3%, Sweden Democrats 17.5%) with a voter base that has been established over a longer time. The German right wing populists have risen to that level only in recent elections, which is frightening. Geert Wilders is not “the new guy” from the Netherlands, he’s been a populist rightwing piece of shit for decades. Unfortunately, the average Dutch person over 40 / outside university towns is also quite racist under the surface - I lived there for 4 years, speak fluent Dutch with a German accent and since they felt “safe” with their bigotry around me, I have heard enough racist and sexist bullshit from “average middle class” Dutch people that I didn’t feel comfortable in that country anymore. The young people in urban centres are okay, but unfortunately those are not a large enough demographic.

                As for comparing with the US - maybe not a good idea: Even young US americans see the democrats for the corporate shills they are, and know that they have to vote for them just to prevent a Handmaid’s Tale Season 6 becoming a documentary.

                The US are the scary example for Western Europe as “this will happen here if you don’t pay attention”. No one in Europe will be able to say “I didn’t know” when we slip into a totalitarian regime filled with hate and controlled by corporations, because it might be happening in front of our eyes with a ~10 year headstart in the US. I just hope that’s not what is going to happen in the end, but things have progressed far too much into the worst dystopian future thinkable for this century.

    • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
      51·
      3 days ago

      I’ve been begging for europeans to export unions and labor rights to America for years, we meed help

    • Klear@lemmy.world
      56·
      3 days ago

      I mean, I follow the presidental race somewhat because it has global impact, but watching the debates is not worth my time, and I’m fairly certain it’s not worth anyone’s time, especially non-americans.

      • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
        272·
        3 days ago

        Plus it’s unlikely to change anyone’s mind. At this point you’re either pro or anti Trump and you’ve had at least eight years to pick your side.

            • PopShark@lemmy.world
              6·
              3 days ago

              A side as opposed to either side is how it should be. But don’t take my word for it, George Washington allegedly warned us of the potential perils of a two-party system on his deathbed but I’m unsure if that is common myth or actually true

              • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
                6·
                3 days ago

                George Washington eschewed political parties because he didn’t want to establish a precedent where his choice as first president set the standard everyone else had to conform to, and there’s a little irony in people holding him up as an example in that light more than 200 years later.

                He, and the other founders largely, disliked political parties in their entirety, not just having some specific number of them.
                They also built the system that enshrined the two party dichotomy as the only option, actively sought to ensure that the “right” people could override the will of the people if needed, and founded the parties they had previously argued against.
                They are far from infallible bastions of correctness in this matter.

            • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
              43·
              3 days ago

              It’s what modern elections are, and maybe even all historical elections, though I’m not old enough to determine that. What elections should be is throwing your support behind someone that you think is going to be beneficial for everyone. I know that is idealistic, and unfortunately the current system makes that basically impossible, but Washington said that partisan politics would be the downfall of this country, and his words are playing out in front of us. I really wish we would throw the parties, and lobbyists, out and force candidates to run on policy and merit.

              • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
                31·
                3 days ago

                See, you’re talking partisan politics, I’m talking “you literally have to pick someone”. We’ve had these candidates before. You already know which one you’re going to vote for. You picked your side four years ago when you were asked the same question.

                Beyond that though, there’s “parties” and then theirs “sides”. One side is xenophobic, homophobic and actively wishes harm on a lot of people. The other side doesn’t, for all their flaws.
                There are more parties than there are sides in the past few elections.

                By saying you think you should vote for someone who will be good for everyone, you’ve picked a side. The side that doesn’t want to do good for only the “right” people, or make sure only the “right” people get hurt.
                The only question is if you’ll vote for that side to win, or if you’ll let idealism or anger drive you to vote otherwise.

                • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  3 days ago

                  I shall, once again, for the 6th time in my life, hold my nose and vote for the milquetoast candidate the DNC has foisted on us. I wish we had RCV so I could vote for someone good, like Bernie, or heck I’d almost take Vermin Supreme at this point.

              • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
                10·
                3 days ago

                They’re both right wing, but moderate right wing bought by corporate interests isn’t the same as fascist. It’s trending towards fascism, sure, but it’s less likely to go on a killing spree.

                • LordSinguloth@lemmy.caEnglish
                  15·
                  3 days ago

                  It’s obviously a common vernacular simplification from authoritarian with a broad definition. This is a commonplace and accepted vernacular in most modern western media based social media outlets.

                  Fascist can be liberal, they can also be conservative. Or communist. Or almost anything. More often fascists will lie and say they are more socialist than many of their policies would lead you to reasonably expect.

                  Grown ups are talking. Go play outside. You obviously need to touch grass, child.

      • trolololol@lemmy.world
        11·
        2 days ago

        I came here to skip the debate and catch up with the jokes. But seems like the joke is the debate itself

  • Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works
    12314·
    3 days ago

    I will keep repeating this, Biden will be the reason Trump gets reelected. If he loves his country he needs to leave right fucking now. Democrats like him and Clinton are addicted to power. Bernie Sanders could have beaten Trump in both election but the democrats circles of power made sure to get the candidate they wanted. Old fool.

    • psycho_driver@lemmy.world
      5727·
      3 days ago

      Sanders wouldn’t stand a chance. Too many moderate Democrats would be terrified of the scary socialist madman.

      • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
        28·
        3 days ago

        “The scary socialist madman” accompanied by the Democratic Party apparatus? A presidential candidate Sanders along with a moderate liberal VP would have gotten both the traditional Democratic vote (as long as the party collaborated with him, rather than giving him the Corbyn treatment, which I don’t trust liberals not to do) and a considerable chunk of the electorate who doesn’t feel represented by either party. The day you guys understand that you don’t have to fight the Republicans in traditional terms, but rather, to change the coordinates of the fight, you’ll force Republicans to choose between evolving or getting buried. But the real problem by this point is whether it is too late.

    • AA5B@lemmy.world
      92·
      3 days ago

      Maybe you’re right but too many of us think the opposite. I would much rather a younger more progressive candidate but Joe Biden has a track record of beating Trump. Biden has done a lot of good things in his first term that I’d want to continue. Even where he hasn’t gone nearly far enough or balanced bad with good, it may be necessary to appeal to the undecideds in the middle. Biden is the only one who can overcome the Trump personality cult

      If a big complaint is age, how is that a plus for Sanders? I’m sorry but he missed his chance and now is solidly in “too old for this shit” territory

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
      4·
      3 days ago

      It’s the usual catch - the leader of the losing side doesn’t get the post, but keeps power of his faction.

      While if that leader is no longer a leader, their personal power would be less even if the faction wins.

      Western Roman Empire had a similar story with Stilicho’s conviction and execution. The empire loses, but those who ate him get some power.

    • rsuri@lemmy.world
      31·
      3 days ago

      How about we pick someone who vaguely approaches the average age of an American adult. There’s a ton - Buttigieg, AOC, I dunno even Kamala would be a million times better. Literally anybody under the age of 70. Why is that so hard to do?

    • justaderp@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 days ago

      You keep repeating it because a false dichotomy, that you must choose between a D or R, prevents you from accepting that the lesser evil is, in fact, evil. So, you’re stuck on stupid and not asking questions. This should help:

      The Democrats already, quite predictably, ignored the outcome of their primary to nominate Clinton. They’re not going to do a fucking thing that doesn’t make a corporate donor money. All of Sanders proposals took from corporations to provide for humans. He never stood a chance of being nominated as a Democrat and he damned well knew it. If we give him the benefit of the doubt then his goal was education. If not, he rallied for Democrats to avoid the rise of a Labor Party during a critical time in history.

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          42·
          3 days ago

          Like what? Did she get votes for him thrown out?

          People have been saying for years that she had an advantage and so it wasn’t fair, but those advantages seem to ignore that more people voted for her.

          He was an independent running as a Democrat, and then claiming it’s unfair when the Democratic party was more aligned with the person who had always been a Democrat.

          • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
            51·
            3 days ago

            those advantages seem to ignore that more people voted for her.

            How can that be ignored it is the conclusion of the argument. Those advantages meant more people voted for her.

            He was an independent running as a Democrat,

            Listen dear, all politicians who want to be president are independents running as Democrats/Republicans.

            claiming it’s unfair when the Democratic party was more aligned with the person who had always been a Democrat.

            The whole point of a primary is to determine who the democratic party is more aligned with. It is unfair to determine that in advance.

            • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
              11·
              2 days ago

              So what were the advantages? The usual one I hear listed is superdelegates, which doesn’t matter if more people voted for the winner, or that they didn’t proactively inform his campaign about funding tricks that the Clinton campaign already knew about.

              Are you saying that Clinton was an independent who just happened to align with the party for her entire political career?

              I’m not sure you know how political affiliation or “people” work. Being a member of the party for decades vs being a member for months matters. Those are called “connections”, and it’s how most politicians get stuff done: by knowing people and how to talk to them.

              The point of a primary is to determine who the candidate is, not who the party is more aligned with. Party leadership will almost always be more aligned with the person who has been a member longer, particularly when that person has been a member of part leadership themselves. It’s how people work. You prefer a person you’ve known and worked with for a long time over a person who just showed up to use your organization, and by extension you, for their own goals.
              We have rules to make sure that those unavoidable human preferences don’t make it unfair.

              The Obama campaign is a good example. He didn’t have the connections that Clinton did, so party leadership favored her. Once they actually voted, he got more so leadership alignment didn’t matter and he was the candidate. He then worked to develop those connections so that he and the party were better aligned and work together better, and he won. Yay!

              So what rules did they break for Clinton? What advantages did she have over Sanders that she didn’t have over Obama?
              Which of those advantages weren’t just "new people to the party didn’t know tools the party made available?”

              • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
                41·
                2 days ago

                So what were the advantages?

                Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chairwoman of the Democratic Party, was found to have sent an email during the primary election saying Mr Sanders “would not be president”

                There were six primaries where ties were decided by the flip of a coin — and Clinton won every single one. The odds of that happening are 1 in 64, or less than 2 percent

                The usual one I hear listed is superdelegates, which doesn’t matter if more people voted for the winner,

                superdelegates system favoured Clinton by pre-announcing their support, giving Clinton a massive early lead.

                or that they didn’t proactively inform his campaign about funding tricks that the Clinton campaign already knew about.

                Clinton bought the DNC by paying off the debt created after Obama.

                Are you saying that Clinton was an independent who just happened to align with the party for her entire political career?

                I’m saying she doesn’t align and would happily run as an independent if she thought she would be elected.

                The point of a primary is to determine who the candidate is, not who the party is more aligned with.

                “The party” is the people who vote in the primary.

                Party leadership will almost always be more aligned with the person who has been a member longer, particularly when that person has been a member of part leadership themselves.

                Party leadership is not the party.

                It’s how people work. You prefer a person you’ve known and worked with for a long time over a person who just showed up to use your organization, and by extension you, for their own goals.

                Exactly. This is why the primaries were rigged in Clinton’s favor and Sanders and his supporters were right to claim unfairness.

                We have rules to make sure that those unavoidable human preferences don’t make it unfair.

                Those rules were broken. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has to resign.

                The Obama campaign is a good example.

                Of fairness (or a super strong candidate beating stacked odds).

                So what rules did they break for Clinton?

                • Campaign finance
                • Debate questions
                • Impartiality

                What advantages did she have over Sanders that she didn’t have over Obama?

                I haven’t researched how unfair Obama had it so I can’t compare.

                Which of those advantages weren’t just "new people to the party didn’t know tools the party made available?”

                Hilarious you refer to a 76 year old career politician like Sanders as a new person.

                • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
                  11·
                  2 days ago

                  Quoting a phrase from an internal email out of context makes you seem disingenuous. The emails that were stolen show people being mean, but it also shows that they were consistently not rigging anything. Or does someone making a shitty suggestion and then a higher ranking member of the party saying “no” not fit the narrative your drawing? Or that the only time they talked about financial schemes was after the Sanders campaign alleged misconduct?

                  In context, Sanders told CNN that if he was elected, she would no longer be the chair person. The internal comment was “this is a silly story. Sanders isn’t going to be president” at a time where he was already loosing.

                  Debbie Wasserman Schultz has to resign.

                  She did. Eight years ago.

                  Tldr, party leadership preferred Clinton over Obama. Turns out that preference without misconduct doesn’t have much impact.

                  you refer to a 76 year old career politician like Sanders as a new person.

                  Oh please. It’s even in the bit that you quoted: new to the party. I act like he was new to the party because he was, and his campaign was run by people who didn’t know the party structures. When their inexperience with the party tools led to them not taking advantage of them, they cried misconduct for the other campaigns knowing about them.

        • Wugmeister@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          43·
          3 days ago

          No, there’s an amendment in our consimtituion that says a president can only be in office for two terms total. The only president who evaded this was FDR and he’s still villainized to this day.

          Actually. I’m pretty sure hes the reason that amendment got passed.

          • AbsentBird@lemm.eeEnglish
            10·
            3 days ago

            Before FDR it was just a tradition, started by George Washington. Personally I think FDR deserves a pass, he got us out of the great depression and through WW2, it would have been hard to have a leadership change in the midst of that turmoil.

            • Wugmeister@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              3 days ago

              Totally agree. But imagine a 4-term Obamna presidency, with the orange avatar of conservative rage building in strength and gathering malice for 16 years instead of 8.

              • AbsentBird@lemm.eeEnglish
                3·
                3 days ago

                I am pro term limits, but you’re kinda making a good counter point. Eight more years of Obama instead of Trump and Biden… Doesn’t seem that bad. The conservatives went ballistic anyway, at least we’d have reproductive rights and better healthcare. I’m certain Obama would have been a lot better at managing COVID and the BLM protests. He was pro ceasefire in Gaza way before Biden too. Idk, for all his flaws, Obama seems better than what we got in his place.

  • MrMobius @sh.itjust.works
    56·
    3 days ago

    It’s not that us outsiders like to watch your elections closely. But we need to since they’re gonna have a big impact on the world we live in, whether we like to admit it or not.

    • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
      14·
      3 days ago

      If you can figure out a way to cut America down to size, please fucking do, it’s not healthy letting us be Too Big To Fail

      • MrMobius @sh.itjust.works
        4·
        3 days ago

        There’s no need for that, unless parts of the US want independence, like some Scots regarding the UK. But break it all up because it’s too messy, not healthy? That’s what critics of the EU or the UN also say. Myself I’ve always been an advocate of unity and collaboration since it’s the only way we’re gonna be able to solve climate change and every other major world crisis.

        • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          You might be surprised how often Americans fantasize about parts of the country getting independence, not to mention the autonomous indigenous regions (which would always welcome more autonomy).

  • FluffyPotato@lemm.ee
    151·
    3 days ago

    No chance, I usually don’t care about American politics but I’m not gonna miss the chance to watch 2 geriatric fucks attempt to debate one another.

    It was so much worse than I envisioned it to be though. Like one guy seemed to make up literally everything with insane claims that were delivered with confidence only rivaled by how stupid they were and the other sounded like his brain turned to soup if he spoke for more than 5 seconds and when not speaking he looked like a frog seeing a very tasty fly on the wall.

    I really hope Europe can get our collective shit together and supply Ukraine once the US shits the bed there.

    • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
      14·
      3 days ago

      one guy seemed to make up literally everything with insane claims that were delivered with confidence only rivaled by how stupid they were

      that’s exactly how he was when he was president from 2016-2020. he tried to nuke a hurricane and buy greenland. his own party basically lets him say whatever dogshit he likes as a distraction while they engage in graft and tax evasion

    • uis@lemm.ee
      21·
      2 days ago

      Well, France is known for their national holiday: revolution

    • CptEnder@lemmy.world
      31·
      3 days ago

      Oof so you think Macron pulled a David Cameron and shot himself in the foot with the snap election and the RN party gonna sweep? Man so sorry our shitty alt right politics are infecting you guys too.

        • Chloë (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          2·
          2 days ago

          My hope is that the NFP will get to the second round and then everyone votes for them against the RN, something similar will happen but victory depends on if macron asks people to vote against the alt right

  • notanaltaccount@lemmy.world
    61·
    2 days ago

    The conspiracy theorists all say Joe is supposed to step down and Gavin Newsom somehow is added to the ticket which then will win. These conspiracy theorists also say that candidates are selected in advance by the powers that be and it’s all pagentry to deceive the gullible masses. Was this debate really an unepected plot twist, or was it planned?

      • notanaltaccount@lemmy.world
        22·
        2 days ago

        I am not saying I believe all these things. It’s just what they say.

        All the “misinformation” “conspiracy theorists” seem to have gotten quite a few things right.

          • notanaltaccount@lemmy.world
            17·
            2 days ago

            It’s actually far beyond that.

            Remember when covid happened and the media and government said it came from a bat at a market in wuhan and not from the experimental covid lab directly next to the market?

            And remember when this was considered “misinformation” and a “conspiracy theory” if you even mentioned that it could be from the covid lab?

            Do you rember when they said it was a “conspiracy theory” and “misinformation” to say the covid vaccine was impacting hearts, before they withdrew the Johnson & Johnson vaccine?

            Do you remember people getting banned from Facebook for even mentioning that and being called conspiracy theorists spreading misinformation?

            Well Pepperidge Farm remembers motherfucker.

  • Annually2747@lemmy.world
    13·
    3 days ago

    Your family is in our neighbourhood and in this domestic dispute I’m just wondering if I need to call the police or the abundance.

    • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
      6·
      3 days ago

      I say this as an American: maybe start making friends with the other countries because we are not gonna be okay whatever happens.

    • WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      4·
      2 days ago

      In America, you can’t call just one—you’ll still get police if you ask for an ambulance.

      Source: am American, have tried calling for only an ambulance before.

      • Rev. Layle@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        We call an ambulance we get fire dept first responders, then an ambulance if you need it. Never got the police, and we have done it many times with my father in law with heart issues.

        … And I live in Tulsa

    • CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works
      81·
      3 days ago

      I’m just wondering if I need to call the police or the ambulance

      Both? One of these guys is a convicted felon turned robber baron and the other is a retirement home escapee who has lost the light in their eyes.

  • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
    941·
    4 days ago

    Its … horrible how you treat your elderly in closed wards.

    I shall avert my gaze.
    Didn’t mean to pry, it was just too loud to not notice it.

    I’d rather look at our … increasingly hard-right EU politics … wait, that can’t be right, wtf.

    • quatschkopf43@feddit.orgDeutsch
      331·
      4 days ago

      We used to say that conservative politics in the EU would still be considered left in the USA. Well, I‘m not so sure about that anymore.

      • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
        9·
        4 days ago

        I mean, in previous years we did pass some environmental laws (like banning internal combustion cars), not as much or as strict as I hoped, but change was there. Sure hope that doesn’t all get undone ‘to boost the economy’ (in the USA sense - so help the existing big corps to boost their profits & do nothing for the majority).

        Hell, I rally like the vast majority of EU regulations (various directives and delegated acts) that were passed & are being constantly updated (to keep up with the times/trends & tech) over the last 20 years, I think its a rally good balance between protecting the people whilst at the same time working with the market to actually achieve a meaningful & painless change over several years. That’s why we have representatives. The added “bureaucracy” as companies call it is just extra reporting & testing (to confirm compliance with standards). This benefits us all & is of unbelievably marginal cost when you look at the economy, regardless of what lobbyists say.

  • loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works
    801·
    4 days ago

    As a French tho, do watch the debate between Gabriel Attal, Merdella and Manuel Bombard. See how Bompard (the left wing candidate) politely wipes the floor with both shitbags.

    • InfynisEnglish
      311·
      4 days ago

      Is it the official French stance to omit the Oxford comma?

    • Chloë (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      7·
      3 days ago

      WE 👏STAN👏BOM-👏PARD👏

      The thing that’s pissing me off though is that the centrist party decided it would rather demonize the left than the alt right, I suppose they know they already lost and are trying to get as many votes off of those they know might vote for them (some socialists).

      • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
        10·
        3 days ago

        Centerists will always attack the left rather than the right. They are actually right wingers that don’t want the social stigma that goes with admitting that you’re right wing. Once the progressives have been killed off by the right wing, the liberals will take the mask off.

        The lot of them are cowards and the left is a whole lot less scary than the right, since we don’t go on random killing sprees frequently.

      • loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works
        7·
        3 days ago

        Yeah, I think going toe to toe with the far right once again was always Macron’s plan. This is the foe he’s familiar with, against whom he won before. The short deadline for the anticipated election was probably to keep the left from organizing, as to not disturb their duel. But it backfired when the left immediately formed the Front Populaire. Now he’s nervous. The polls give his party third place, so he’s playing for second. He thinks if it’s the centrist against the far right, the “barrage vote” will save him once more.

        What’s shocking is the extent to which they go to demean the left, and the amount of media that help spread his baseless accusation. Everyone knows at this point that the center will lose, so they’re choosing who they’ll lose too. They maybe think it’ll erase the left and let Macron’s clan be seen as the alternative to fascism during the next presidential elections…

    • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      3 days ago

      The vibes I get from the French left in social media remind me of the days when Podemos (in Spain) was soaring. It gives me a bit of hope. Good luck.

  • Th4tGuyII@fedia.io
    821·
    4 days ago

    Well I suppose the answer I’d give is that because of how right-wing the US is compared to much of the Western world, it becomes a patient zero for whatever the far-right is cooking up - which inevitably influences far-right groups in other Western countries

    • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee
      373·
      4 days ago

      Word.

      Putin planted his seed with Trump in his greatest enemy (democracy/America). It quickly caught on & has spread globally.

      Hundreds of Billions of dollars in US defense hasn’t done a thing to halt the attacks on democracy Putin has wraught with a few million spent on his troll army.

      The man can’t carry out a physical attack for shit, but his cyber attacks have no equal, only willing collaborators (Murdoch et al, the maga army).

        • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee
          41·
          3 days ago

          It’s no fanfic. It’s assessing the enemy. Kind of important to do if you want to beat em.

          Don’t be a snowflake. The right is claiming that territory madly.

          • AppleTea@lemmy.zip
            83·
            3 days ago

            You’d rather believe Trump is result of foreign interference, that our own institutions would never result in this without being sullied from outside. It’s fan fic, it’s Cold War nonsense.

            Trump is the consequence of our political systems, of our spiteful culture, of our economics that promises success and leaves people sick, broken, and in debt. So what if the Russians had a few hundred Facebook posts? That “seed” would not have taken if the soil weren’t already fertile. Frankly, I don’t think it made a difference. We were barrelling toward Trump with or without the oh so spooky slavs typing on a keyboard.

            • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee
              3·
              3 days ago

              I recommend you read up. And quit sounding like you’re on Putin’s propaganda team: ‘oh that’s cold war nonsense’

              Putin funded Trump, fed him the whole Obama’s a Kenyan schtick, Hilary’s a criminal ploy.

              Trump can’t think up or accomplish a damn thing without a cheer squad to goad & lead him where to go.

              Tom Snyder’s the Road to Unfreedom has the path well researched. I highly recommend you read that.

              Yes, Rupert Murdoch had been warring against real news since Reagan (Bush’s puppet) withdrew laws that required stations labeled ‘News’ carry truth & news

              Yes, Reagan was an early predecessor to the incompetent celebrity politician role that Trump walks. Yes, Danny Quayle was a shining example of idiocy in politics.

              Putin saw these things the Murdoch & Bush families put forth & jumped on the band wagon, gave it a nitro boost. Not much difference? Follow the money.

              • AppleTea@lemmy.zip
                1·
                2 days ago

                You are looking for a Great Man of history to pin this on. You’d rather believe someone nefarious is in charge and pulling the strings from an ocean away, than to see this for what it is; an empire with no real conscious oversight. A pile of self-interested businessmen, politicians, and militarists doing whatever they can to line their pockets, profits above all else.

                The US has, per capita, the largest prison population and, outright, the biggest military on the planet. If there’s a road to ‘unfreedom’, we traveled down it a long time ago.

                • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee
                  2·
                  2 days ago

                  You are looking for a Great Man of history to pin this on. You’d rather believe someone nefarious is in charge and pulling the strings from an ocean away, than to see this for what it is; an empire with no real conscious oversight.

                  No, I just prefer to have realization of all of the components.

                  A pile of self-interested businessmen, politicians, and militarists doing whatever they can to line their pockets, profits above all else.

                  Agreed.

                  The US has, per capita, the largest prison population and, outright, the biggest military on the planet. If there’s a road to ‘unfreedom’, we traveled down it a long time ago.

                  Also agreed. As I said before, we were on this path, many made it worse. Putin put it on steroids.

    • Tetsuo@jlai.lu
      15·
      4 days ago

      I follow closely what is happening in the US from France because even though we have a very different culture I still think US politics is a preview of what’s to come here.

      Right now I consider we are at the step where our media are crumbling and becoming unable to properly inform us. A step that has been reached a couple of years ago in the US in my opinion.

      The next step will probably be our own coup attempt in a few years and a steady increase in the division of the country and far right movements.

  • JeffreyOrange@lemmy.world
    72·
    4 days ago

    In german media there is so much content about america even I sometimes get confused whoch country I actually live in.

    • VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works
      38·
      4 days ago

      At least you can tell where something happens by place names, I get headlines ‘12 shot in Manchester gun fight’ or ‘Birmingham man kills 8 in roadrage incident’ and there’s just no way of telling it’s America… OK, well those examples are obvious but the point stands.