- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmit.online
- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmit.online
Last time the flag appeared on the eve of Iran’s unprecedented missile and drone attack on Israel in April this year.
The flag has been raised for the sixth time in Iran’s history.
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Rolling ever closer to a wider regional war
This is a revolutionary and decolonial war that we can win. I support the struggle to eradicate Israel
On the one hand, I agree that someone has to stop Israel from continuing to genocide the Palestinians because they’re not going to stop themselves. On the other hand, I have very little hope that a regional war will actually make things better
Short term it will likely be worse, long term peace is only possible with the destruction of the genocidal ethnostate
the Nazi concentration camps only really became systematic death camps as the war took a turn for the worse for the Germans on the Eastern Front, before that they were primarily labor camps. Does this mean the Soviets should not have pushed into Germany and destroyed the Nazi state? Allow them to keep permanent labor camps of jews and communist dissidents? Historical justice demands victory and unconditional surrender of our enemies. Anything less is a failure of justice. We are not responsible for the reactionary nature of capitalists, they do that themselves.
how do you think israel is eradicated without a regional war?
They have nukes and I fully believe they’re bloodthirsty enough to launch them.
So? So because they have nukes we all have to sit by as the colonize and genocide forever? That’s really the plan? Fuck them I would rather the world burn
Plan? I don’t have a plan. I’m just a dummy on the internet, seeing death and destruction on the horizon for a whole lot of people. Again:
Lots of wars, including decolonial and revolutionary ones, need to happen and when they start in earnest, need our full support not dooming woe is me stuff. The moment the US involves itself in this regional war we need to bring hell upon the state as a fifth column, prepare for that don’t sit around dreading the future that is inevitable
If they’re stupid enough to use nukes, they can say goodbye to their nuclear plants, including one that’s placed right at the center of the Zionist entity, and their desalination plants. Their entire settler-colony will be Chernobyled with no ability to produce drinkable water.
Well damn, someone better do something about that.
It’s a tiny country surrounded by enemies with more than enough missiles to reach MAD with Israel. Israel is not viable in a regional war the US can’t defend their reactors as clearly and politely indicated by Iran’s warning shot after the Damascus embassy bombing. Israel will be the most politely destroyed country in history I think.
no more half measures walter
Harden your heart, oh, Walter!
Attack them and increase your attacks!
I didn’t know they had a revenge flag, that is so cool.
It’s honestly such a badass headline it feels a little sensationalist even though it’s just a plain fact
They raised it when Soleimani was assasinated. In respone, Iran launched missiles at some US bases in Iraq. Wonder what will be the target this time?
please god let iran turn the knesset into a molten craterDimona.
Oh good, more war!
War with Israel is long overdue and needed. Unironically good for them to be wiped off the earth, it must happen
at this point it should be clear that zionists will never stop on their own
Agreed… but having been in a war (as the invading imperialist dog, to my great shame), I don’t want it for anyone.
They have nukes though. If someone can do something crazy with nukes it’s them.
then they are too dangerous to allow to continue to exist and we need to rip that band-aid off ASAP.
I’m with you but they will murder millions of people
They’ll still do that and keep existing and keep having nuked if nothing is done.
God if they launch the missiles in the next 3 hours I’m not going to get any sleep tonight so I hope they wait at least 4
You’re good, they’ll wait till I’m just about to go to sleep
Fingers crossed they over-deliver and don’t just hype it up and then deliver a fart.
Nothing ever happens.
I mean the last time Iran raised this flag something significant did happen. Iran directly attacked Israel and landed several successful hits on military targets in Israel. The US was forced to help defend Israel and intercept drones and missiles.
the heaviest radar+air defense in the world, in addition to the US military immediately intercepting, and they still hit the site with missiles they have a shitton of
while it was reported on as hyper-sonic missiles, that’s just in their final stage. it’s not like Iran used some kind of glide weapon thing. they have a shitton of these missiles. didn’t take many drones to get them through
Virtually no missiles made any contact with anything (I think one Druze child was killed?). Pretty much nothing happened in that case.
Like, can we just kill one Knesset member or anything. Someone significant. In minecraft, obviously. I would never condone the killing of Isn’traeli officials.
So, does that count as something happening?
Excited for the coordinated attack that will hopefully remove even more of IOF capabilities. Not excited to send more of my taxes in the form of bombs afterwards though…
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You watch too many movies and spend too much time on hexbear absorbing this idea that nukes are gonna drop this year. Sometimes this place feels like Qanon facebook page with 4k users
Seriously, “nukes in 3 months, I guarantee it” lol
Like yeah world tensions are high, multiple nuclear-state proxy wars…shit doesn’t look good but let’s not start The End is Nigh-ing.
I get it, lots of users here are depressed but that doom has just infected every facet of their lives. Instead of taking the grill pill and submitting to not being able to do anything meaningful to change to course of history, they welcome the horrors that can be because deep down they want those horrors to materialize since they have already subjected themselves to living a life of misery.
I agree with your point, but this second comment reiterating your first feels a bit uncomradely / punching down-ey
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We don’t know that. One of the reasons we are supposed to argue for deescalation and sabotage of imperialist violence, it’s because it leads to untold levels of carnage.
We don’t know that nukes are not gonna fall in 3 months? I get it’s a possibility, but I’m not the one telling people to prepare for the imminent nukes.
Let’s tune our irony detectors a bit, come on now
Israel is a death-cult and a fascist state on the edge of collapsing due to their own antics. They also have nukes. That is NOT an unimaginable scenario.
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And the inflated cost of McDonald’s meals predict WW3 the same way current affairs predict a plethora of scenarios, the burgeroise don’t want to drop nukes, nukes are a paper tiger. You should read more Mao because the kind Mao Zedong would send everyone here to hell
Dogshit response
Okay but you smell bad
Outside of an ironic comment, what other examples do you have of this place feeling like Q enthusiasts?
The world is still too profitable for the bourgeois class, a nuclear exchange will devastate the world, thus wiping out vast profits. There will be no nuclear exchanges in the foreseeable future. Unless there is a proletarian uprising, or climate catastrophe, the profits of the bourgeoisie are safe for now.
I definitely agree with this mostly, but I’ve been reminded that people do not always act rationally. Especially the Israelis.
Ukrainians as well for that matter.
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I hope not…
While it’s certainly a possibility considering the fascist derangement of the zionist state, the use of a single nuclear weapon anywhere on earth will unravel the global economy, radioactive fallout crossing multiple borders is not something any state has the capacity to ignore without declaring war
The zeitgeist shift alone will crash the US empire in Eurasia and Africa, intra-capitalist conflicts will erupt all over the world, with most capitalists wondering “Am I safe?”, “Should I leave this country and move to that one or should I stay?”, and most importantly “Who’s next, me and my pals?”
The US neocons in charge of imperial policy are collectively arrogant but not collectively nihilistic, they have a ceiling and while their brutality has wrong-footed many of us, they still want the neoliberal global economy to tick along, regardless of their miscalculations that imperil it
The weirder thing about any nuclear use, especially by Israel, is what that could even look like.
Israel’s nuclear capability isnt totally known; are these kiloton options or megatons, are there dozens of warheads or hundreds, what is the delivery apparatus, what are the targets? We can guess at a lot of these but the reality of what theyre capable of and what the ramifications of use of these devices is nearly infinite.
Not to mention, who would fire back at the colonialist entity? Is Russia going to muster their plentiful supply? America would not, unless it joined in for Israel and hit its own targets. China has very little reason IMO to commit, especially when it might be the most affected by potential fallout by even a limited exchange. Pakistan? India? Does Turkey liberate the US missiles on its territory and use them?
The US neocons in charge of imperial policy are collectively arrogant but not collectively nihilistic, they have a ceiling and while their brutality has wrong-footed many of us, they still want the neoliberal global economy to tick along, regardless of their miscalculations that imperil it.
They dont have to be collectively nihilistic, just enough of them at any one time in the right places can end all of humanity. We got too close and very lucky in the Cuban Missile Crisis. We might be closer than we think already.
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People are laughing at you, but we’re talking about a nuclear power whose population are rioting because they can’t brag about gang-r-word Palestinian prisoners in social media and who believe bioengineering a red heifer will force God to bring about their long-awaited Messiah.
These unhinged freaks are not rational actors.
And plus tactical nukes are a thing. Not all nukes are designed to blow up cities. If nukes are going to be in play, tactical nukes will first be used before strategic nukes. And we know the IOF is completely useless when they’re not murdering children or sodomizing unarmed prisoners. Is it beyond a possibility that a floundering IOF will use a tactical nuke in a desperate measure to get as least a W?
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I think the most likely nuclear scenario is they’ll start using tactical nukes but get Western MSM to say they’re just powerful conventional bombs. It fits their MO because they love to shamelessly lie with a shit-eating grin.
TL;DR: If Israel falls, genocide all of humanity via nuclear holocaust/winter as punishment for not supporting Israel enough.
They don’t have nearly enough nukes to achieve that
Well, firstly, we don’t actually know that. We don’t know how many, or how big, their nuclear weapons are.
Secondly, you don’t have to nuke every single major city. Even just a few of them would be sufficient to blanket the earth in black clouds for years, decimating agriculture and causing mass famine. That’s the “nuclear winter” option.
There may be a chance that they face economic collapse that makes the settler colony infeasible to live in. But I’m not holding my breath for that.
the less shocked you will be when it finally happens.
i think i’ll be shocked regardless
Username checks out.
You are very unserious
shipwreck is actually a very active reader of current events and good analyst, especially on the economic side of things. I think this prediction is a bit of a stretch and the time table is unlikely, but it’s not absurd it’s quite plausible and even likely to go this way. Israel will fall into its contradictions, American empire will falter under its own weight eventually and the sampson option will be threatened.
I think about Nukes destroying the world in the near future pretty often as well. Proclaiming one must succumb too the reality that this will happen in 3 months as to avoid shock when it does is deeply unserious and not helpful to any discourse. It’s giving Q “they’re going to release the documents this month, I swear.”
Edit: I also despise any sort of talk of power users with well thought out correct takes. Blue check vibes over here
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In what way do you view predicting nukes dropping and possibly all of human civilization dying within 3 months to be based in dialectical materialism?
i think you need to remove the stick from thine ass and learn the joy of the post. Post with hyperbole, post with gusto, post as if the history books will quote you because it’s more fun. The culture here eminates from Cushman who would say stuff like “we’re all going to drown in boiling ocean water” when expressing a point that is generally correct, hyperbole is built into the posting style here from inception
Jokerpilled Mark Fisher Zizekism has ruined so many lives pensive emoji
Like I said not serious.
“poweruser” is whenever we recognize a user we have seen takes from. This place has like 150 active users lmao, pretty silly to pretend like you don’t see patterns
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On the other hand, most of the time I’ve seen their name it’s been next to a take I disagreed with
Same tbh
I think shipwreck has some right to be concerned. I don’t know about the timeline prediction, but while this isn’t on Iran, more so related to Ukraine and Nato, this is worth a read https://thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/nato-ukraine-nuclear-crisis/
The problem is that we don’t realy know how serious the US realy is about winning the war in Ukraine.
By all evidence so far they’re not actualy very threatened or willing to make any meaningful concessions to Ukraine. From day 1 they refused to give Ukraine cruise missiles etc. They tried to say keep the US out of the fight and they made sure Russia couldn’t use US assistance as justification. Then the military escalation we saw was a complete joke as a result. The US said Ukraine can’t attack pre-Crimea invasion borders for example.
Of course between incompetence, delusion and some deeper strategy perhaps its all three, but if we just take the incompetence and media narratives at face value, then Ukraine was nothing but a long term grift, meant to allow the US to encroach on Russia, a plan that backfired when Putin actualy decided to go to war at first and when their “contingency”(aka sanctions) failed later on.
I wont go further but you can see this is very different from the entire context and meaning behind Israel’s existence and US support there.
If you want to have a peek at what the west is actualy thinking look at Rand corporation papers on Ukraine-Russia
It is very enlightening to see how they think of Russia as some “competition” for example. Some(most?) of these end up copy pasted over on western media btw.
If this isn’t tagline material I don’t know what is.
Totally, but to be honest comrade is pretty accurate. I love hexbear but lol we do be terminally online doomers
Absolutely we do, which is why whenever users make posts like these I am reminded of the diversity of thought that Hexbear fosters.
Measured pessimism to cautious optimism and Doomerism to
The shock will be an order of magnitude greater than 9/11, and the world will have to adjust to that new reality.
you’ve got that heavy LaRouche/Posadas tone down. although I already consider us to be in WWIII there’s always a hint of WWIV in the alignment against the NATO+ bloc. sure why not. but that’s good.
This
You are wrong, if I explain why then I will be insulting the intelligence of everyone reading your comment
Is this the how desperate the c/News com gets when its behind c/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns? Risking a regional hot war with the potential of nukes going off just to get the comment count up?
They can’t keep getting away with it!
traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns
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transbears did 7/10, confirmedI’ve always thought it was so weird how Iran will only go to war after c/News approves, but they have a revenge flag so who am I to question their methods
I should get a revenge flag…
Qom m’lady, Qom Qom m’lady.
i have always been a flag-skeptical person
despite that i gotta admit “red flag of revenge” has a certain appeal
!لبيك يا علم المقاومة, كلنا نفدي الحمي
O flag of Resistance, we serve ye, by our own fighting wits!
Tiger Woods ass country.
I looked up what this flag is about.
The flag bears the Arabic phrase, “Ya la-Tharat al-Hussein,” which can be translated in English as, “O ye avengers of Hussein.” As Muhammad’s grandson, Hussein is one of the most sacred figures of Shia Islam, in which he is the incarnation of justice. He was killed in the year 680 at the battle of Karbala, in present-day Iraq, by caliph Yazid’s troops.
This battle and Hussein’s martyrdom are the founding elements for Shia Islam, and mark a definitive schism with Sunni Islam. According to certain Iranian Shia traditions, “Ya la-Thara al-Hussein,” should be a rallying cry for believers upon the return of the Hidden Imam, the last of twelve imams recognized in Imamiyyah, the largest branch of Shia Islam.
Source: https://factcheck.afp.com/no-red-flag-revenge-was-not-raised-first-time-iran-mosque
It’s flown regularly in the first month of the Islamic calendar. For Shia Muslims, it’s a period of mourning dedicated to him. Outside of that, it’s on moments like this, meant as a sort of rallying cry.
Wikipedia claims that “it also flown [sic] in response to the COVID-19 pandemic in Iran whenever a milestone of casualties was reached”, but I couldn’t find sources for it elsewhere.
