https://www.wired.com/story/china-conquers-mexican-automotive-market-and-the-us-is-worried/
State department hand wringing that China is going to use the US trade agreements as they were designed is 
I fully expect them to redo these with “except china” clauses.
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Entire world is showing how much they want cheap evs. US automakers: check out this truck
Forcing a cold war that doesn’t need to exist and that the rest of the world wants no part in, only results your “enemy” working with other nations?
It’s them or me!
No wait
When all you have is a hammer…
all you need is a sickle?
Hey! I spent $15000 on this hammer. You better believe in going to use it!
God, I would HATE IT SO MUCH if I could buy a cheap electric car. I’m SO FUCKIN WORRIED GUYS!
I too wish the free market was actually free sometimes. I want a small, cheap, efficient car like literally every other country in the world produces.
I use protectionism as a huge talking point so much.
“We like to claim we’re all about free market, but the US is a very protectionist country and even then only to capital, the idea of protectionism for workers like affordable college or stopping companies from shipping jobs overseas is seen as profane but workers are not allowed to outsource where they consume.
Real talk, I’m strongly considering buying a used EV on the cheap. Trying to suss out which platforms are the likeliest to have a longer lifespan. I think circa 2019 Bolts are in my sweet spot of affordability and best chance of holding up longer term. I’d love to find one with 20-40k miles on it.
The problem with buying a non Tesla EV is that the charging infrastructure is nonexistent. Like you might have one station on a 300 mile stretch and find that it’s out of service when you get there
If you’re only doing local driving it’s a nice little car.
Agreed … and the problem with buying a Tesla is I want me, my family, and the people around us on the road to stay alive. But in our case local driving is good enough for us.
I have a relative that owns a Tesla Model 3 because there is no other charging infrastructure in his part of the country and he bought before everyone knew Elon was a right wing asshole. He let me drive it a couple times. If you don’t use the self driving, a Tesla drives like any other EV. Though, I wouldn’t get in any Tesla if the driver intended to use the self driving.
Yes… also would be nervous of some OTA update bricking the door latches or some stupid shit like that.
I’ve driven a lot of Bolts (but not owned one, I don’t got that kind of money and detest modern vehicles with their snitching electronics), they feel a lot more solidly put together than the nissan leaf, for whatever that’s worth. I don’t have any special insight on the longevity, but short of a major electrical component failing prematurely, or another battery recall type issue with individual cells, the longevity will mostly be down to how it’s been driven and charged.
My 2013 volt is an absolute tank. I had to replace a cell at 100k miles. I bought it at 60k and besides that have only had to change the oil and put new tires on it. The GM electric drive train seems really well designed, unless ofc it was enshittified.
the volt and the bolt are pretty different ofc but yeah. GM is seemingly fully capable of making a decent electric drivetrain, and besides the battery cell recalls and general software bullshit I haven’t heard anything bad about the Bolt yet
Hear ya about modern vehicles. Waiting for the day they require an account to turn the radio on. Thanks for the word.
I bought a used 2017 Nissan Leaf in 2019 because it had one of the best battery warranties on the market. Good thing, because I had to use that warranty this year when the capacity dropped a bunch and they upgraded me to a 40 KWh kit.
nice luck roll, glad it turned out well for you. how many miles do you average per charge on that new pack?
After a few longer trips, getting a consistent 120 miles at highway speed before it’s close to dead. No idea how many at street level speeds, but more than plenty.
Imagine the horror of having a safe, affordable, and environmentally friendly way to traverse our countries hellscape of freeways. Nope, you are gonna want a powerstroke diesel 6-wheeled truck with king cab and automatic trailer parking. you might need to tow something one day after all.
exactly, and until that day comes I’ll keep driving it around with the bed and cab completely empty
so what youre saying is i should go to mexico to buy an EV
If you can yeah
Wouldn’t you face problems with importing and registering it in the USA?
Probably not, no, I think you could just drive it across the border, if it’s only one. The Chinese cars aren’t illegal here they are just subject to a 100% tariff. I’m talking out of my ass though so take it for what it’s worth
Edit: I forgot about the safety standards. Wouldn’t want anyone getting hurt. Better stick to the cybertruck for now
I’m talking out of my ass though so take it for what it’s worth
yeah. From what I know about japanese imports even if you can get them to the US you can’t register them if that model of car was never sold here (and maybe even if it was, idr), since technically it never passed various US safety tests that are mandatory. There have been lots of exotic cars crushed for trying. If it’s older than 25 years though you get an exemption from the safety standards.
ready and waiting to buy a 2024 BYD car in… 2049
But those Chinese EVs are sold here, hence the tariff being in place, right?
I don’t think they are, and honestly I think it has to be a VIN that was actually manufactured for US market even then, but I’m not certain. Their USA site only lists one model and has no indication that you can buy it: https://www.byd.com/us/car/han-ev
Edit: some JDM forum guys claim you have to get it in writing from the manufacturer that the imported model is the same (or “substantially similar”) as the one sold here, for the purposes of not needing to re-pass safety testing. Which, good luck with that unless you’re Bill Gates (okay he actually ended up directly lobbying the government for a carve out for rare supercars, but still)
The tariff is in place to prevent Chinese EVs from setting up shop in the first place. Taxed at 100%, no one will buy so why bother selling here?
to the best of my knowledge the tariff was raised to make the investment in crashing a bunch of cars to satisfy NTSB standards less attractive. cost to consumers is doubled shrinking the potential market (even if they would still be competitive with basic econoboxes sitting at $38,999, the market shrinks considerably compared to a car that would fly like hotcakes at $14k but has to be sold at nearly $30k due to tariffs.)
you absolutely cannot do this
B-b-but what about the free market
Can you just keep it registered in mexico somehow? I live near the border and see mexican plates pretty often
Guess you can run into problems with the insurance, unless you get a Mexican insurer with a US coverage premium.
You’d probably have to pay a fuckton of fees to get it registered at one of the state DMVs in the US. Sadly probably too expensive/ too much of a pain in the ass to be worth it
I knew someone about a decade ago who made a business of buying used Dodge Caravans (built in Canada) from the US then bringing them back into Canada to resell, the import and brokerage costs were thousands of dollars but the profit in the difference was still worth it because our prices for our own cars are that inflated.
There was a lot of paperwork and a few modifications that needed to be made… seemed like a lot of work, wasn’t exactly easy money.
you’ll need to import it in order to get it licensed. But they probably treat an individual importing a single car differently than a company importing thousands of cars. Also iirc you get like one “free” (as in you dont have to pay tarrifs) car import every 5 or 10 years.
It’s state specific. You’ll want to first check that you can get it registered with your dmv. Some places do have vehicles you can’t get registered because they wouldn’t meet safety or other standards.
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Mexico please sell me an affordably priced EV that you obtained from China, I promise I won’t tell Uncle Sam where you got it.
USA finding out that for as much as it used capitalism to advance the USA’s interests capitalism was using the USA to advance capitalism’s interests just a little bit more.
Dang, sorry dudes.
The genesis of Deng Xiaoping thought is recognizing that these bastards would sell their grandmothers for a nickel
today we have innovated and financialized it to where we can lease out grandmothers on a subscription basis
download our new app Eldr
I thought this was so funny that it deserved a comment in addition to an upvote. Go you :)
And then offer them three cents just to see if they Cana get a little further ahead.
Lol NAFTA.
How dare you command the loyalty of our great beast?!?!
If this reaches some arbitrary threshold of manufacturing above that which US capital is comfortable with they will begin restricting and rewriting what “free trade” means
Altering NAFTA and telling Mexico to “pray we don’t alter it further”? Wouldn’t put it past them.
All the free trade propaganda stems from a time when imperialist powers depended on it to steamroll native industries in the periphery. Of course, it was associated with all the liberty freedom democracy propaganda, so once it no longer became preferable and even enabled the possibility of the reverse happening, they have to materially oppose it, but still wax poetic about it to please their bootlickers and sycophants.
Free trade with countries that have a green freedom index on
I forsee a renegotiation of nafta that has “China bad” clauses, also more discipline of labour, as a treat
I believe it’s now “CUMSA”
I’m gonna CUMSA
Shame that it’ll be next to impossible to get one of those up here
Not if they build the factories in Mexico!
I never looked into it… but now I’m wondering if there are POV style vehicles that you legally aren’t allowed to get registered at the DMV?
Could there be a federal regulation or 50 states worth of state regulation that prohibits the import, sale, and registration of certain makes/models of vehicles?
POV style vehicles
This is the likely outcome. China would still make most of the parts, and they’ll be assembled in Mexico. It’s going to destroy US and Canada auto manufacturing. … I live in Canada, and the writing is on the wall. Our entire economy relies on housing market go up. Canada is going to be ‘third world’ in 20 years. Pockets of good services surrounded by utter poverty… I had brown outs this weekend. I live in a population center.
It’s more of a “it’s cost-prohibitive to ship something we can’t price gouge the shit out of and there’s a lack of infrastructure to support it” deal.
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Per the article china is already market leader in MX, presumably these could be had there already
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Inshallah
That’s it. We’re imposing 5000% tariffs now.
