ā€œJill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 sheā€™s at it again,ā€ DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement toĀ The Bulwark. ā€œJill Stein wonā€™t become president, but her spoiler candidacyā€”that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest inā€”can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.ā€

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    all they have to do is drop their unconditional support for Israelā€™s genocide.

    First off they are not unconditionally supporting the genocide. Both Biden and Harris are working for a ceasefire. The fact that Israel is not complying or even giving it any serious thought is because we have a plurality of people in this country who do unconditionally support Israel and will not vote for a party that does not actively show support for Israel. So if Biden or Harris actually came out and said they would stop providing weapons and money to Israel they would lose 10 times more votes than the number of people who are voting for Jill Stein because sheā€™s being critical of them for ā€œunconditional support of Israelā€™s genocideā€.

    If you are voting for Jill Stein because of the whole Israel issue. Then you deserve to lose all of the rights that get taken away if and when Trump wins. For reference see Roe versus Wade.

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      I remember arguing with several cons on various comment sections, and more than a a few, when made to answer the question, basically said the U.S. must support Israel no matter what. The no matter what part was true even after asking them hypotheticals about behavior including finding out they were carrying out actual genocide. This was before Gaza.

      So when dingus lefties talk about ā€œGenocide Joeā€, my first thought is ā€œI remember when I turned 14, tooā€. The cons - including donnie - would be far, far worse. The cons say we must support Israel. No. Matter. What. And itā€™s not because they give a damn about Jews, no matter how much crocodile tears they spill over ā€œanti-Semitismā€. Many of them think the Jews have to be there for their precious son of Yahweh to come back on a cloud or whatever, and start condemning Jews that wonā€™t convert to infinite torture. While these people supposedly watch from heaven. Seriously, the ā€œmoralsā€ of psychopathsā€¦

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      They have not conditioned their lethal aid on anything, despite the fact that US law prohibits the sale or transfer of weapons to states engaged in war crimes. Even though itā€™s literally illegal for them to be sending them weapons still, they refuse to even suggest that stopping arms transfers is on the table. Thatā€™s a far cry from ā€˜working for a ceasefireā€™.

      they would lose 10 times more votes than the number of people who are voting for Jill Stein because sheā€™s being critical of them for ā€œunconditional support of Israelā€™s genocideā€.

      A majority of Americans Say Biden Should Halt Weapons Shipments to Israel

      Regardless, if a majority, or even an electorally-important minority of Americans wanted to nuke Iran, it would still be morally abhorrent to defend doing so simply because ā€œif we donā€™t, the other guy will do it himselfā€. Americans love to pretend like they would have been anti-fascist rebels if they had lived in Nazi germany, but this is exactly how the Nazis were able to take power in the first place. Liberal moderates, desperate to hold on to power - or, more charitably, limit the power of fascists - will concede all but the most immediately tangible of human atrocities to fascists. They will happily hide behind their privilege and sacrifice the subjects of the fascistsā€™ violence just so that they can remain at the table now completely taken over by fascists and fascist enablers.

      Democrats donā€™t have to simply fall in line with what ā€œā€ā€œā€ā€œthe majorityā€ā€œā€ā€œā€ of voters want; in fact, they themselves have been actively messaging and defending the very support youā€™re arguing they are powerless to resist. They were the ones making the case for continued support for Israel. They could be making the case that Israel must be brought to bear for their crimes, or at least sanctioned/embargoed until their hostilities and escalations stop. But they donā€™t - because they know that the USā€™s interests lie in ignoring the war crimes that Israel is committing. Without Israel, the US would lose influence in the ME, and by extension risk being cut off from the abundant resources that exist there to the waxing multi-polar influences that are building in the east.

      Leftists donā€™t simply oppose the sale of arms to Israel simply because theyā€™re committing genocide with them; we oppose the strategic imperialist asset Israel itself represents.

      Then you deserve to lose all of the rights that get taken away if and when Trump wins.

      Oops, your mask slipped a little there, friend.