This is ridiclous

  • xonigo@lemm.ee
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    9 minutes ago

    I guess you could flip it around and make the bottom the top 🙃

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    2 hours ago

    I’m not going to get a mac anytime soon, but at least it would stop my cat from powering down everything spontaneously

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    57 minutes ago

    I really hope this is one of those tactile hit it from the top and it’ll trigger from the bottom designs. But more likely they just never expect you to use it.

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    3 hours ago

    So many people referring to using the button to turn the computer off, but more than 95% of the time, you use the OS to turn a computer off. It’s only when there’s a malfunction you would need to turn it off with a hardware button.

    This button is primarily for turning the computer on.

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        25 minutes ago

        This button is primarily for turning the computer on.

        Sure but you still need to turn it on though?

        ?

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      2 hours ago

      I assume there will be a power button on the keyboard or mouse. This is just sort of a backup.

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          I don’t, but apple does. This is why the touch ID is in the keyboard. To be fair it does come as a unit if you buy the mac new.

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      3 hours ago

      A short press of the power button shuts down almost any computer in existence, why would you use the OS?

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        2 hours ago

        It’s still the OS doing it, it’s just reacting to the power button press like any other input device.

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          Not if you hold the power button. Yeah if you single press a power button, the os can divert that, but long press, the SMC will cut power. Similarly how, pressing and holding the power and the volume down button on a phone, cuts power, even if the OS is hard frozen. Sometimes you just need an emergency exit.

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            36 minutes ago

            Someone who isn’t a pedant would interpret “using the OS” as going through the start menu, or equivalent.

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        35 minutes ago

        A base plate that’s got a spring under it, except for a little nub that pokes the power button.
        Terrible if you live in earthquake-prone areas.

        Wait. Are we describing a bump stock for your computer?

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    4 hours ago

    Please don’t ever turn your computer off, it makes it really hard to spy on you. Thanks -Apple

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    5 hours ago

    Wait, WHAT?

    They put the powerbutton on the underside?

    For fuck sake Apple…

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      5 hours ago

      “Our new Mac Mini is so powerful, so extraordinary, you’ll never want to turn it off.” – Tim Apple, probably.

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      5 hours ago

      It’s very bad idea to put power button under the bottom, Who think the designer should need to be fired here

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        5 hours ago

        Wouldn’t surprise me if it was the same guy who put the charge port on the magic mouse on the bottom.

        That at least has a logical excuse if dumb as hell, this has zero reason to be like this

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      5 hours ago

      Uh how often are you having to power on your Mac mini? I think mines been off like twice last year.

      Having the power switch away from where I often blindly poke around to plug cables in, sounds like a good choice.

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        5 hours ago

        Damn, that is some amazing copium…

        They had a well established place for the powerbutton, why change it?

        As an IT guy, if I worked with Macs this would be terrible to work with

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          As an IT guy, if I worked with Macs this would be terrible to work with

          You know, now that you say it, I’d bet that’s exactly why they did it. They probably want to fuck over companies that would otherwise have racks of Mac Minis (for clusters, colocated servers, etc.) and force them into Mac Studios or Mac Pros instead.

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          Well first off if you look at the picture, this is a much smaller device. If the power switch was in the same place as the larger case it would be on the side edge.

          Secondly because it’s now moved into a space where it’s not going to be accidentally hit, and requires an intentional effort to press.

          That’s great, how many IT guys have to manually go around turning off hundreds of computers at the switch instead of running some automated method across the whole network? Such a rare and unlikely situation that the average home consumer and user of a device such as this really doesn’t ever have to factor in.

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            As another IT guy at a university, having to manually turn on 30 computers in a classroom for updates or whatever is already a pain in the ass. Wake on LAN is not a reliable solution. Havin to manually flip over every box, then putting them down, and then fixing the cables that got yanked… I’d throw those fuckers in the trash.

            The Dell Optiplex 3080 Micro’s form factor is perfectly tiny without compromising user comfort.

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              It looks like it’s raised up off the desk by the circular portion in the center. Still annoying to press but a finger probably fits under there.

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              I have never bought an iPhone or a Mac and I agreed at first that this seems an extra step. But you surely wouldn’t have to flip it over? The device will be raised enough it appears that a finger could slide in the gap and hit that button. But maybe I don’t know shit or have slender fingers or something but feels like it could be operated without flipping.

              What am I missing?

              Still a daft design but yeah…

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              3 hours ago

              WoL is amazing when it works

              I had to update a remote laptop where windows was EoL for patching cutoff on a weekend and I threw my arms up on the air when it reported in a few minutes later

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                4 hours ago

                Mainly because our students are idiots and will complain if the computer doesn’t turn off. Or worse, take independent action and hold the power button, or actually yank the power cable. Maybe I should just lean into it and convince them that the monitor is the computer.

                Jokes aside, how could I implement such a policy? I’ve only found one that hides the power buttons from the start menu, but Windows still responds to ACPI.

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                  Jokes aside, how could I implement such a policy?

                  The policy you’re looking for is in Computer Configuration->Policies->Windows Settings->Security Settings->Local Policies->User Rights Assignments->Shut down the system

                  This policy takes account or group names from your local or domain AD as its variable (like Domain Admins). After it’s successfully applied, only those users or groups will be able to shutdown the machine gracefully.

                  Create a new GPO or edit an existing one and apply it to the ADUC organizational unit containing the computer objects you need to target.

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                  3 hours ago

                  Why would they be idiots for wanting to turn these computers off?

                  If the computers aren’t running something important while not in use, I think they should turn them off as we’re already wasting far too much energy.

                  I might be missing something, but it sounds like leaving your car running or leaving lights on in your home the whole year.

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            it’s not going to be accidentally hit

            How often do you accidentally press a power button on a desktop computer? I don’t even do that on my laptop, where the power button is close to the keyboard.

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              Is your power button at the back of your pc next to the usb and hdmi ports? The place you dont look when trying to plug in a memory stick by feel.

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              3 hours ago

              My phone case has a magnet in it (so it mildly sticks to metal surfaces).
              I’ve put it on a laptop and accidentally triggered the “lid close” sensor

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          The standby drain is negligible and it allows for the device to stay updated and synced.

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            1 hour ago

            A lot of negligible things added together can make a lot.

            My computers are perfectly up to date by just running the software update manager while using them.

            But of course, being veggie, not having kids, biking or walking has a bigger impact than just turning off your computer.

            As I have two lovely kids and my work involves a lot of car travel, I can’t blame you for not turning off your computer though 😇

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        Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. The only time I use the power button is when there is an issue which has been like 4 times in 3 years maybe? I think people complaining about the power button location have never worked with macOS and are used to shittier standby in other operating systems.

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          On the one hand, I agree. Apple has positioned their power buttons with the assumption that the devices wouldn’t be turned off very often for quite a while now. It was on the backside of the previous mac mini design and also on the backside of the 2013 trashcan mac pro, for example.

          That still doesn’t make it less annoying though. We use a lot of macs for work, including aforementioned mac minis and mac pros and we do turn them off regularly because there’s no need for them to use power 24/7. Having to turn them around to find the power button is just stupid. That’s form over function in its finest. But if you’re the type of person who never turns off their computer, obviously it doesn’t really matter.

          That’s not to say, that the new mac minis aren’t remarkable machines. The redesign was necessary and is very good in general. It’s a tiny powerhouse. They could’ve just chosen less of afterthought of a power button location.

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          I’ve never owned any Crapple stuff and never will, but even I can see from the thumbnail that the circular vent is lifting the whole unit off the desk, so slipping your finger under to switch it off is going to be a bit odd the first time, then you’ll instinctively know where the button is.

          We’ve been doing it with monitors for decades

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    Why can’t they put the power button on the front where it belongs. It’s already stupid that they put it on the back, putting it on the bottom is downright idiotic. If they don’t want to mess up the oh so important Apple aesthetic just make it an invisible touch button or something. Apple hates usability.

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        4 hours ago

        For you to put your nasty fingerprints all over it?? I don’t think so

        • Apple, probably
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      Desktop macs (not tower macs) has had the powerbutton on the back for decades, it’s fine, bottom is shit though…

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        Back is already bullshit. We have a few trashcan mac pros at work and usually they’re just turned so all the cables stick out towards the user because then you can easily reach the power button. Which makes it look worse than just having a power button in an accessible place aka the front or the top in the first place.

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          Yeah, I can see that, I was just trying to say that there Mac followed a standard