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    I don’t. If you decided that blatant incompetence, fascism, sexism, racism, xenophobia, felonies, sexual assault, etc. were all the traits of a man that you vehemently support to be in charge of this country… if you want your political rivals deported, jailed or killed… you are fucking garbage. Fuck you. This isn’t 2016. There is no excuse anymore. Nobody is ignorant unless they are willfully ignorant. If you vote for Trump, you are either willfully ignoring all of these things and putting this monster in charge anyway because you cant stand to vote for an objectively wildly more competent and normal Democrat or just not vote, or, worse, you actively support these things. Either way, you are a fundamentally garbage human being.

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      I get it, the anger and spite, but you’re not running for president in a country where a portion of the population believes you should be saintly while your opponent spews vitriol any time he opens his mouth. Biden has nothing to lose by removing the gloves, but unfortunately, calling a rose a pig dipped in dog shit while hoping to appease the largest swath of voters is something Harris needs to shoulder. Biden should have never made those comments, at least not until after the election.

      I feel the same as you, but we have the platform to voice those things anonymously and without repercussions.

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        Trump and the Republican party incites violence on a daily basis. He is running on mass deportations (which means concentration camps), using police and military to ‘deal with’ the ‘enemies within’ meaning US citizens, this is straight up Hitlarian. The just finished a Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden, where racism and violence was rampant, even more than in 1939.

        Harris moving to the right by adoption right-wing framing on immigration, wanting to add a republican to her cabinet, campaigning with Liz Cheney, and aiming to appease Republican voters does not work. The Republican party is mask-off fascist, they are openly advocating for violence. They will demonize and call Kamala a violent radical communist regardless of her actual positions. Progressive policies are popular.

        This double standard is bullshit and needs to be called out for exactly what it is by Harris and Media too, not just Biden. Harris and her campaign should be attacking Trump for his Fascist positions, on mass deportations, and women’s bodily autonomy, on LGBT+ rights, etc. You want republican voters to realize how fascist trump really is and distance themselves. Leaving this fascist behavior unchecked, it will just grow. The election is in like a week and the Democrats want to hug the Republican party when they desperately need to have a backbone and fight back and run on actual solutions.

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    I see the ambiguity in Bidens statement, but it looks to me he meant the comedian, specifically the things the comedian said. " I don’t know the Puerto Rican that — that I know — or a Puerto Rico, where I’m fr- — in my home state of Delaware, they’re good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter’s — his — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American."

    But the more important piece here is contrasting Harris with Trump, Harris addressed Biden’s remarks directly, Trump won’t address the racism directly. Harris is presidential, Trump is not.

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    I’m with Biden on this one. If after all that Trump and his entire ecosystem of hate has said and done, if you still support them then you are indeed garbage.

    Dementia has no filter. The old man said what he meant. Don’t treat him like a child and let him stand proudly by his words.

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    There’s one word I keep coming back to: indefensible. I don’t see how anyone could listen to Trump speak, see the effects of his policies, and understand his goals, and still think, “Yeah, that guy should be president.”

    Senile
    Felon
    Liar
    Rapist
    Bigot
    Kleptocrat
    Insurrectionist
    Fascist
    Misogynist
    Narcissist
    Nepotist
    Ignorant

    and those are just the things he’s admitted to out loud in front of a camera. Any one of those would immediately disqualify any other candidate, and there isn’t any argument to be made that he isn’t all of those things. Denial is a helluva drug, but to deny all of those things? The only conclusion is that his supporters share his “values” and that makes them as deplorable as he is.

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        The deplorables comment was one of the nails in Hillary’s coffin. We can say these things, Harris can’t

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          lol, Hillary was cooked the moment she stepped in the ring. “Deplorables” was just a weirdly ivory-tower insult. She’d have gained more political ground calling them shitbags.

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    Political views aren’t immutable characteristics and I literally cannot think of a better metric by which to judge people.

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    still “going high” playing by maques dequeenbury rules, when the other sides out here with switchblades taking kneecaps

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      She’s the candidate. Biden said that so that she could say this. He’s speaking truth, and she’s extending an olive branch. Normally, it would be the VP who says the blunt thing, but it has more juice coming from the sitting president. Trump would be doing the same thing, if they could trust Trump to say anything without going rogue and rambling something bigoted.

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        I doubt Biden planned that, I genuinely think he misspoke or failed to filter by accident. But I agree that that is how her campaign is considering and treating it. It got that opinion out there but allowed her the grace to walk it back.

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          It also demonstrates that Harris can disagree with Biden, to counter arguments of “why hasn’t she already done [thing campaign is promising] ?”

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    It would be nice to live in a world where everyone called out the obvious corruption and treason of the Repub party, and by extension, its voters (who are garbage).

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    When she wants the favor of Republicans, she can differ from the president.

    When progressives are upset about Gaza, they can pound sand because she totally can’t differ from the president because reasons.

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    Latinos want to be white so bad. They’ll jump down the throat of someone saying you’re bad for voting for someone that thinks your garbage.

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      Fucking shill more. Jfc, how much do you want Trump elected? Talk about garbage…

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          No, she’s electable, but there are an awful lot of fucking morons doing their best to get Trump elected by using shitty arguments like the genocide that he outwardly supports. Truly anyone that actually believes not voting or voting for someone else is the right choice is amongst the absolute dumbest people. No critical thinking abilities. Strawman arguments. Closeted love for fascists like Trump. Actual domestic terrorists spreading information trying to hurt America.

          Scum of the earth, really.

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            I mean, look at your response bruh:

            No, she’s electable, but there are an awful lot of fucking morons doing their best to get Trump elected by using shitty arguments like the genocide that he outwardly supports. Truly anyone that actually believes not voting or voting for someone else is the right choice is amongst the absolute dumbest people. No critical thinking abilities. Strawman arguments. Closeted love for fascists like Trump. Actual domestic terrorists spreading information trying to hurt America.

            This is just word salad with no critical analysis. You want to accuse others of no critical thinking skills but this is all you have to offer. The facts is that Harris supports the same genocide Trump supports. And its losing her the election. She had the opportunity to take a different tact; she chose the wrong side of the issue that is proving to be the deciding issue in this election. So you can circle jerk that everyones an idiot but you, but the reality is, Kamala chose this path, and all of the data we have, and I do mean all of it, is suggesting that she make a big fucking mistake by not distancing her self from this.

            So we had the opportunity to move Kamala on this issue over the last couple of months. I mean, we we’re able to move Joe Biden to the back of the bus; moving Kamala should have been easy. But the reality is that she had enough sycophants with trump derangement syndrome willing to run cover for her that she didn’t feel she needed to. And so she didn’t feel the pressure to move her position on a deeply unpopular issue. And now she’s fucking stuck with it and is probably going to lose because of it.

            So at the end of the day, if you were providing cover for Kamala on this shitty position of hers, YOU are to blame if Trump takes the white house. Our only option was to force the candidate to take a better position on a deeply unpopular position. If you defended her in that position, you OWN this Trump presidency, in the identical manner that those who were INSISTING that we needed to stick with Biden would have owned that L as well.

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              No. Two options, Trump or Kamala. Trump had shared his desire to increase the genocide. That’s wise than what’s currently happening and what Harris has said. I’m disgusted by what’s going on over there, but I also understand all of the other implications of this election. Making it about a single issue that neither candidate had publicly rebuked, and then being any voting in that is moronic.

              You’re rhetoric is consistently anti Harris. You are effectively campaigning for Trump. It’s not word salad to reiterate that people that keep shilling for Trump and making strawman arguments are fucking idiots.

              You do nothing but try your best to sway voters against Harris. Everyone sees it and calls you in your bullshit, but you double down. When everyone but the shittiest of people think that you’re wrong, maybe you should look at the company your keeping. But, if you’re cool supporting a rapist for president, keep up the good work.

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                You are the very reason Harris is struggling to win this election. A toxic, deranged, abusive, psychology. When she loses, we’ll be pointing at you.

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                  You might point at me, but the test of us will know is the bigots and racists rallying for a rapist, some under the guide of, “but the genocide” ignoring the obvious fact that Trump is worse.

                  I’m not trying to dissuade people from voting for Harris. What good did you jump through to come to the conclusion that I am why she’s struggling? Lol. The backwards thinking in you is in-fucking-sane.

                  You: “Harris is bad and supports genocide. Literally the worst person ever”

                  Also you: “People that are out there supporting Harris despite her flaws are the reason she’s struggling”.

                  Do you read the words you regurgitate? Fuck what a dumb take…