“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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      4, not the 7 they wanted or deserved. he doesn’t get any credit for this. he broke the strike weakening their position.

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        I’m partially agreeing, I want to point out that they did get 7 days allotted.

        Not all 7 of those are from sick time, so you’ve got a point.

        I find it a reach to say the administration gets no credit when it’s definitely been assigned to them on multiple fronts for the effort.

        Congress was involved here too. Do you think our president should be a despot?

        Were you directly involved in negotiations?

        The people who were directly involved, gave the Biden administration credit for an assist.

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          Dig deeper the people who gave credit were the same members who didn’t support the strike in the first place. iirc.

          I blame everyone involved who voted to break the strike. don’t try to assert for me things I havent asserted.

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            So you don’t acknowledge when you’re wrong, and will continue to move goalposts. You’re taking a defensive posture.

            It’s becoming clear now.

            You’re a bad faith actor.

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              You’re of course welcome to continue believing that. Thats of course your prerogative. But I’m just going to point to the results since they speak for themselves.

              Harris is missing 20million votes. You were warned and decided that arguing with me about the lesser evil ‘optimal voting strategy’ than realizing the danger harris was putting you in was a good idea. 👍 Good job. Now go convince those 20million other individuals since you’ve failed here.

              You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. (I know you struggle with analogies, you’re the 🐴)

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                Yes please, tell us how marxists and leninists will save humanity and not be the same as it ever was and always has been.

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                    Ok. What solution do you have that will work?

                    Please, elaborate on a working solution.

                    Do you have anything realistic that can change the results of citizens united vs FEC’s ruling?

                    You said you warned us, but your cake day is not old enough to account for that. You’re lying or you’ve been banned for being what you are.

                    I’m discussing facts with a bad faith actor. I’m looking for your true colors.

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        I agree, optics matter to the public and media.

        The media has sane washed an insane old person, while negatively spinning or outright ignoring any Biden accomplishment.

        The fact is, in this system, we’re trying to convince a small group of undecided folks in a few swing states to get involved and make a choice.

        The majority of the public is too tired and busy to bother to review the facts, and happy to watch an opinion of the matter - whether it’s true or not.

        If it fits into their world-view there’s no need to challenge it.

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          No, that undecided group does not exist, this election clearly demonstrated that. Trump results are nearly identical to 2020. What exists are people who are not engaged or disalusioned. They also are poor and going to vote is a meaningful event that takes energy that they don’t have.

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            Yeah, you’re acting in bad faith here too.

            The numbers of votes clearly show over 24 million people sat out 2024 vs 2020.

            Undecided doesn’t mean they’ll make a decision on voting day.

            I know of several people who willingly sat out because the state they’re in was always decided and they didn’t feel it would matter.