Tech tycoon Elon Musk joined a call between US President-elect Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky the day after the presidential election, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
Remember when they used to try to keep corruption somewhat hidden and deniable? Now the richest man in the world is just going to be walking around the White House, tugging the government’s leash on full display.
Love watching the oligarchs take over…it’s nowhere near as subtle as I thought it was going to be.
Fucker will disable Starlink in Ukraine and allow it in Russia
He’s going to be on the cabinet while getting billions in government contracts. The richest man in the world just got a job where he gets to to shovel more government money to himself. And that’s what Trump calls ‘draining the swamp’ and ‘sticking it to the elites’.
And somehow, instead of democrats calling that out, they decided to find their own elites to trot out.
Worst of it, government money is your tax dollar… You will pay more and more taxes to funnel the money to Trump’s friends. Trump is the swamp thing!
They’ll finance it with debt, sale of assets and cutting of services. Which is probably even worse
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Didn’t he do that already?
It wasn’t enabled in Crimea in the first place. The author misspoke/lied about in the book and has later admitted it.
U.S. sanctions to Russia forbid the use of Starlink. This includes crimea and the occupied territories. That’s why it wasn’t enabled.
To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.
And before someone points out the ‘cause major war’ things, those are Walters words, not Elon’s. Musk said “It would make SpaceX explicitly complicit in a marjor act of war and conflict escalation” He later also added that had he been contacted by the US officials and asked to enable it he would, but they didn’t.
US sanctions may try to stop Russia from using statlink, but they’re using it anyway.
Plus the fact that Musk regularly talks with Putin really makes this whole thing quack and waddle.
The front lines are not static so you can only imagine the difficulty SpaceX has trying to determine which terminal is in Ukranian use and which ones are Russian. For all we know, they may have disabled hundreds if not thousands of terminals they’ve found out to be used by the Russians and are getting no credit for it. I don’t buy into this narrative that Elon is personally invested into Russia winning. I’ve seen no evidence for it but plenty against it which everyone just seems to conveniently ignore because Musk bad.
Nah, he’ll use the location services from the dish to pinpoint the Ukrainian troop locations. If they’re smart they’ll start smashing them immediately.
He’s already done so, actually. Under the guise of “blackouts”.
Since when do we allow regular civilians to participate in diplomatic calls?
Since the US bacame an oligarchy.
It’s almost like a member of Trump’s cabinet was sentenced to prison for doing that exact thing between Trump’s 2016 election and taking office.
Yeah but for people to know that would require actually understanding the impeachment proceeding and prior/subsequent investigations.
I think we all know how that went.
When you have a president that dgaf about anything saying otherwise.
It’s beyond naive to call Elon a regular civilian
My point was to point out he’s not part of the government
Neither is Trump. However Elon can still become part of Trump’s future cabinet.
True, haven’t thought about Trump not being part of the government yet. I would hope some restrictions would apply if Musk becomes part of it (conflict of interest wise)
Yeah, he’s an illegal immigrant, get it right.
Musk’s whole “slash government spending” schtick is such a farce. Tesla wouldn’t have domestic manufacturing facilities without a DOE loan. SpaceX survives off of government contracts.
Slash government funding for everything except the socialism for the rich.
The NPR article goes into this. Elon likely will award himself money without oversight while cutting programs like NPR and the SEC and other regulatory bodies etc.
Slash Social Security, add EV subsidies, make them so that only Tesla qualifies in practice.
Oh that never includes the donor class.
Hilarious that his administration is already leaking worse than a Russian submarine.
Zelensky deserves better than these hosers
Maybe Germany France Italy Spain Sweden Finland Poland … and the UK could step up?
I mean let me dream a little.
If others followed UK donations, this wouldn’t be a problem.
Germany, LMAO. Didn’t they have their lips around putin’s pipe that got blown up?
I bet the “russia is a trade partner” shtick will come back real soon.
Ukraine is f*cked now and soon Europe too.
Technically, a lot of NATO countries still have nukes. So they might be half as fucked.
What a dilema for Ukraine! I feel their abandonment will be a microcosm for our leaving to the wolves.
I think a lot of Americans don’t understand that the USA hedgemony isn’t a divine right, it was a deliberate construction with tacit agreement of convenience from the western world.
Much like an economy, belief makes it so.
Much like the UK’s arrogance has driven them into geopolitical obscurity, so will the USA’s.
In 15 years, Americans are going to wake up and realize that their voices are irrelevant in the world. I don’t know how y’all are going to handle it.
The USA became dominant by letting the world fight itself to ruins, then entering into the war late and declaring victory. TWICE.
Being the only mostly undestroyed nation after a world war is immensely profitable.
This is true.
I deeply, desperately hope you’re right. In the best case, the military (including the nuclear arsenal) gets as hollowed out as russias before that realization comes.
I’m going to be bummed, but it’ll be deserved. Maybe future generations will stop being entitled assholes. Idk. Don’t want to live in a disintegrating country. Really don’t want my kids to. But I guess we don’t always get to pick.
Maybe future generations will stop being entitled assholes.
Look what’s happening with Gen Z right now. They showed a lot of promise, then showed up to vote and turns out they have just as many nazis as the rest of us. We’re going ride this death spiral all the way to extinction.
Wheeeeee…
Look at all this fun I’m having.
Not Gen Z girls
Hedge money
This is bad
I guess we now know who will really hold power in the oval office. Spoiler: it’s not Trump
A scammer gets reeled into a phone call between a president and a mobster wannabe.
Great timeline
Said it before, I’ll say it again…we are, absolutely, without question…in the Biff timeline.
Marty failed. Wtf.
Doesn’t he have like ten companies to run… into the ground?
The companies might do better if he’s there less to make decisions for them.
“Look honey, the clown show already started.”
Do y’all think Elon’s looking to run for office one day? Or does he just find it exciting to be included?
Musk doesn’t need to run for office. He’s the richest man in the world. With Trump as president, Musk can just call him, offer a few million and get whatever he wants.
Musk has enough money to change whatever rules he wants and tie up all the government lawyers for years fighting over all the rules he might want to break.
Billionaires shouldn’t exist.
He’s not eligible, born in south africa
lol, doesn’t matter.
Funny how this reflects exactly my train of thought.
Oh god, what if that asshat runs for president next?
Oh, wait, isn’t he from Africa or something?
pew
Wait, doesn’t his buddy run the country, his party and the supreme court?
*panic intensifies*
Shhh no one knows
He can’t be president, and I don’t see him interested in any other position.
Until trump, supermajority in Congress, and a hand picked supreme court say so
It’s in the constitution. It’ll take a lot more than that.
Yep. Look up the standards of a constitutional amendment. (Spoiler alert: having a supermajority is a good start)
Constitutional amendments also have to be ratified by the states. That’s not trivial.
You really think the Trump regime will give a shit about state’s rights?
While it is a big standard that it has to be ratified by the states. What a lot of people don’t realize is the citizens do not get to vote on a constitutional amendment for the United States. It’s the legislators. The citizens get absolutely zero say. Didn’t know this until just a couple of months ago I actually thought it was the people who voted on it. Now let’s look at the political map of the United States. Do the Republicans hold more legislative houses in the states or did the Democrats? And how big of a percentage split does a given state have to have?
What I mean is, for example North Dakota, that legislative house, the Senate and the House of Representatives, how many senators have to vote in favor of to get it to pass for North Dakota? How many representatives have to favor in favor for pass for North Dakota?
Is there enough Republicans in that state in both the house and the Senate that would vote in favor this?
Now look at each state look at the difference in between Democrats and Republicans in each state.
I don’t know if we’re at the point yet where they could get The needed majority, I literally have not counted the Republicans in each state… But it would be an interesting question.
Yeah, you need 38 states to ratify it. If we go by governors (so I don’t have to do a ton of research, but it’s probably representative of legislatures), only 27 states are Republican controlled. Good fucking luck getting a partisan amendment through.
the constitution ain’t worth shit.
The Constitution can be changed; it has been 27 times already, so I don’t see why everyone seems to think it’s set in stone.
I think you’re right. It would hinge on the natural-born-citizen clause and that’s probably hard to “reinterpret” even for a loaded court.
Hold my beer
the constitution
…yeah that’s a couple months away from being slathered in Trump’s feces and filed securely into one of the whitehouse’s toilets.
it takes but one order from putin and suddenly he’s eligible.
Musk bought Trump and Trump won, musk already has the office.
He’s from South Africa. He can’t run for president.
Elon Musk is a fluffer, he’s the Gimp
nice, a five year old participating in diplomacy regarding nation destroying wars. what could go wrong.
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