Claims to have mathematically proven it, yet does not provide a mathematical proof. Curious.
1+1=2
Tankies O W N E D
Meanwhile, the system predicated on infinite growth being possible is mathematically sound!
Mathematically, numbers can go up foreverTherefore, infinite growth is mathematically possible!
Um akshually they think both capitalism and communism are bad. Checkmate tankie
kkhhhh ummm if you take the infinite series of capitalism it actually expands to -1/12 ergo sum lumma cum it is stable 🤓🤓🤓
sum lumma cum
Finitists vindicated yet again
Yay this was in response to me!
I knew it immediately lol
I love that this started as ‘AOC isn’t bad, actually’ and they’ve had to shift their goalposts so many times that the only point they hold on to is that because some people can’t learn to read no system is good. I’ve never had the joy of watching someone do the ‘screaming ‘I’m not owned’ as I turn into a corn cob’ tweet in real time
They’re still going lol, they just responded to us again
Mannn if only they put all that youthful energy into reading theory or hell, even one of the more thoughtful replies.
Least condescending liberal. I can smell the reddit off that mf.
What does Reddit smell like? I imagine it smells like the plasticky inside of a Funko box.
A decade’s worth of farts and unwashed ass sweat infused in the seat of a gaming chair
Cheeto dust, earring backs, and a six pack of unwashed B.O.
Smells like that cheese behind ones ears
I can smell the axe body spray oozing off of them
Bro unironically thinks he’s smarter than a Corgi. BZZT WRONGO.
A Corgi WITH a laptop none-the-less. Gotta be a pretty smart corgi to operate one without even having a lap
Fuckk, this is good slop lol, I went in and spent a little time arguing with them
Very interesting, I’ve never seen this from the (their words) “system dynamics, distributed systems, and its intersection with political theory” angle before. It just makes sense to me if you see a mathematician or logician
doing it (tbh I feel like the reason a lot of math people aren’t interested in philosophy of math is cuz a lot of their stuff has… bad metaphysical implications. And the ones that are are usually very anti-communist lol at least in the imperial core) but a “systems theory” person? Wild, considering the history of systems theory in the imperial core is basically a project to rehabilitate dialectical thinking without the communism loldear god thats literally a fucking seminar worth of work. plenty of people have already written about the mathematical weaknesses in both communism and capitalism I dont need to rehash it
I asked who these people they’re referring to are, I expect no answer lol but would be pleasantly surprised if they clarified even a little about wtf they’re talking about
I get big “15-year old who watches
” energy from them.If I had to guess I’d have to say they’re talking about the “Economic Calculation Problem” which says a planned economy is impossible because there are too many variables. There are a few of these nerds. Hakim made a video about it 3 years ago.
It’s wild that people talk about ECP like it’s some highly theoretical string theory that we could never test empirically. The largest corporations today are managing production far larger in scale than entire countries back when Marx was writing, or even during the Bolshevik era. Amazon is proof of not merely the possibility, but the current ability to coordinate production of a national economy.
Marx himself thought that the development of complex division of labor within private capital would produce the conditions for socialist production. This is obviously the case and it’s why capitalism undermines itself.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
1+1= communism is impossible
take that tankies
You joke, but that’s basically the argument
Some people have learning disabilities. That is why we must have a slave class
“You say I should wash my hands after I shit, but that only eliminates 99% of germs, so it’s actually just as bad and also slavery.”
I think this person is still in fifth grade
I hate these people so much
If I could just get my hands on the gun from Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy the world would be so much more pleasant.
The Point-of-View MIRV
Unfortunately, they’re already in an alternate reality where they are the most important being to have ever lived and are thus immune to it
You’re thinking of the torture chamber that Zaphod Beeplebrox gets put in. There’s a gun that makes people see things from your point of view.
Yeah but it’s not too much of a stretch to say the same logic might apply
Claims to have disproven communism mathematically. Goes on to make the claim that all positive numbers are the same because they are all greater than zero.
“Yes, but have you considered outliers?”
What kind of libertarian dipshit so we think this person is?
Imagine being so smug and so dumb at the same time
They really have to explain what the fuck they mean by something so incomprehensible.
The other night I was hanging out with a friend and he had a buddy there with this energy that we all got into a political debate with. He was literally like this just throwing out nonsense really fast and reminding us he was an “honor student” or something lmao. Mind you everyone there was 28-34 so
I graduated college magna cum laude and turned into a dirty fucking commie 🤷♂️
cum
Me on graduation day:
One of my lib friends had quoted the Democracy games as reference for his political understanding
:
Oh don’t worry they debunk so much!
Have you ever heard of the mentally ill being absolute donkey brains? Checkmate tankieBeing so incredibly condescending but also being so incredibly wrong
Do these types think they are better or more sophisticated for refraining from just using more vulgar language? It fundamentally accomplishes the same thing, but they always write in a nearly identical manner, like they’ve watched so much marvel slop that everything has to be a PG-rated quip
They all think The West Wing is reality.
aaron sorkin and the incalculable damage done to the liberal psyche
I think I understand less after reading their explanation. Jatone, get your sorry ass in here so I can put your brain in a jar and study it.
“Okay honey, I’ll talk slow and use small words so you understand me” proceeds to say the most incomprehensibly convoluted, hare brained shit they obviously just are making up based on bias and superstition
Mathematically the concept of “people only have as much as they need” is actually impossible in a finite world. Mathematically the concept of “infinite growth” is possible in a finite world. The math I’m using was developed by a preschooler but you can’t argue against it because I didn’t tell you that.
Can we see the math on how finite resources == infinite profits? For example, use the United States that totally isn’t an authoritarian police state, if we are gonna use the big bad scary words.
No you don’t get it, they’re an ideological atheist
I don’t even have the energy to read all of that thread but still skimmed out of curiosity. Does that user even know what they are even arguing about?
I think they find AOC hot and are mad we won’t goon to her or objectify her
Right? Never mind the fact that she’s a class traitor getting in bed with the Dems.
tfw you’ve been shamed online for claiming anarchism so have to cook up something fresh.
I need a place to put this comment for after this jagoff gets banned, so behold the smugness of a high-school-aged liberal inside a cozy bubble of “I’ve looked into communism, and it’s bad”.
yeah i can see why facts are hard for you to grasp. but you know, I definitely trust the numbers from the USSR and China… they havent been caught lying about their metrics at all… oh and huh I guess they havent quite nixed it in the bud yet either… surprise. I also find it hilarious when you start digging into the numbers that detail in which the distinction between literate and illiterate between US and china is hilarious. they’re measuring completely different things, the US is focusing of complex language analysis and china just publishes ‘yeah they can read and write’. But lets do it anyway using china’s metric.
china is vastly superior with its 97% literacy vs the US’s 95.8%. damn. communism is definitely the superior system. you got me. I’m totally convinced one system definitely isnt shit. I definitely can’t think of any policies in china that would have potentially influenced this… oh whats this? the US information has a breakdown on the illiterate group…
4.2% of respondents who were unable to be assessed due to language barriers, cognitive disability, or physical disability.
huh, go figure. exactly my assertion that you can’t hit 100%.
So remind me again what was your point? Dont get me wrong I admire some outcomes communist countries achieve just not at the cost. Just as I admire some things capitalist countries have achieved, just not at the cost. Essentially both systems are fundamentally flawed, both systems are capable of massive outputs at the expense absolutely abhorrent treatment of people just in different ways.
And remember, I think both systems are shit. I’ve looked into both. found both wanting on purely human decency grounds. They both trend towards hierarchical societies that shit on an underclass. and yes, this by design. both systems are underpinned by an economic policies based on mathematical principles to achieve some particular set of goals. both are unstable. capitalism for its need to grow uncontrollably and lack of a strong guardrails towards positive feedback loops for individuals economic power, which leads to subversion by dictators. Communism because of its economic centralization is easily subverted and dismantled by dictators. One just takes longer depending on the starting point but both trend to the same end result.
And remember, I think both systems are shit.
The ultimate
move.
But don’t you see I think both are bad (despite only critiquing one), so obviously I’m enlightened and correct. Oh no, I don’t have a system i think does work. Why if i did then I’d actually have to defend something rather than just play word games for hours.this is literally left communism
“Neither Washington nor Moscow” repackaged for le epic
zoomer
I highly doubt 95.8% of the U.S. is literate. Or at least literate past the point of 'oh I know how to spell ‘car’".
Case in point, what in the world does the One Child Policy have to do with literacy rates? Are they implying that it isn’t possible to have high literacy rates in countries that have more children? That is an incredibly bold assumption and assertion, a real correlation doesn’t mean causation basic statistical problem. Such a random offshoot that would get you docked points on any essay as to whether or not you even are literate in the topic you are discussing.
Real high-school liberal shit.
Wait’ll you learn what this comment is actually in defense of! You ready? You’re not ready.
lol. child. neither governance model can achieve those goals. I can literally pick every single one of those metrics and a quick search will debunk claims to each one for both systems. some are trivially debunked. for example: you can’t eliminate illiteracy. there is a little thing called genetic defects, and brain damage which both can result in a person literally becoming incapable of literacy. but you know that’d require you having more than a 5 graders level of knowledge of the world.
So, yes. both systems are equally bad. communism requires a slave class just as much as capitalism does.
Emphasis mine. The bureaocracy is right. This kid is a walking tagline generator
you can’t eliminate illiteracy. there is a little thing called genetic defects
Would love to hear more about their thoughts on genetics and intelligence
Christ, another assertion that has very little to do with the topic at hand.
Also, ‘debunked’, I feel like I am on atheist/skeptic YouTube and Reddit again. Very much a walking tagline generator. It’s always weird when the community has one on the line and just keeps playing with it, the degeneration is always wild.
They have immense tagline potential
They posted so much it’s mathematically certain there’s a tagine in there somewhere
It’s statistically improbable but it’s all tagline
I love how our system fooled so many by having a figurehead election every 4 years. No one stops to think Mr. President is NOT the person calling the shots under Capitalism 🤔
A democratic republic is the best possible political shell for capitalism, and, therefore, once capital has gained possession of this very best shell (through the Palchinskys, Chernovs, Tseretelis and Co.), it establishes its power so securely, so firmly, that no change of persons, institutions or parties in the bourgeois-democratic republic can shake it.
from State and Revolution
Sorry kiddo, capitalism has proved that capitalism is the only way to achieve real capitalism.
