It’s gone. Wanted to ask over here before I went to check on Reddit.

  • freamon@endlesstalk.org
    1073·
    1 year ago

    lemmy.world deleted their copy of it (due to site rules, and prompted by a concerned Internet citizen)

    It’s probably the biggest Community in all of Lemmy, so the ramifications will be interesting.

    • hempster@lemm.ee
      8319·
      1 year ago

      lemmy.world has been acting very weird lately. Almost like they are the one and the only authority of Lemmy.

        • ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠
          4050·
          1 year ago

          Nobody wants to end up in jail, but that’s not a reason to become reddit.

          • Mane25@feddit.ukEnglish
            372·
            1 year ago

            Good job this is Lemmy then and each instance can set their own rules.

          • bitsplease@lemmy.ml
            407·
            1 year ago

            Nobody wants to end up in jail, but that’s not a reason to become reddit.

            Says the guy who is at 0 risk of going to jail for it lol.

            By all means create your own instance with a rules-free piracy community, then when you start getting into legal trouble, you can bit the bullet and go to jail lol

          • YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.worldEnglish
            326·
            1 year ago

            Every instance has their own rules and where your server is located can factor into those rules. Being a EU server and not a Russian server likely plays a role in that.

      • RandallFlagg@lemm.eeEnglish
        341·
        1 year ago

        I moved to lemm.ee from lemmy.world after that whole hack thing a few weeks ago and it seems like lemmy.world has been going through some weird shit ever sense.

      • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de
        254·
        1 year ago

        It’s their instance, they are free to do as they wish to comply with their local regulations

        • small44@lemmy.world
          32·
          1 year ago

          But when it’s a centralized social media who do what they want in there playform you guys complains about it

          • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de
            7·
            1 year ago

            I personally never complained about piracy being removed from Reddit, it makes sense from a legal perspective.

            The advantage of Lemmy is that all of the other instances still have that community.

      • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
        171·
        1 year ago

        More like PEOPLE are acting like they’re the only authority of Lemmy.

        The whole point of Lemmy is that unlike Reddit, you can give middle fingers akimbo to the server and still participate.

        It’s not that difficult to jump ship.

      • cow@lemmy.world
        207·
        1 year ago

        I am starting to get frustrated with lemmy.world. The downtime and stability was one thing but now they cloudf****ed it, the stability has not significantly improved and cloud flare can now see everything we do here. Once there is account migration I plan on self hosting an instance.

      • Secret300@sh.itjust.works
        101·
        1 year ago

        Ye I think I need to start my own instance, That’s the only way I can get away from bullshit like this

        • Eddie@lemmy.lucitt.social
          52·
          1 year ago

          I’ve been on my own instance since I started using Lemmy a few months ago and it’s amazing to just… do whatever I want.

          • Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml
            7·
            1 year ago

            You know, I agree that this is definitely the beauty of Lemmy’s federated nature but I’m somewhat perplexed by statements like “I can do whatever I want”. I mean for sure, in theory you definitely can, but were really being held back before? I just personally have never actually run up against the limits of my freedoms online and being unable to do something I want to do. I’m probably just super vanilla and boring I suppose. I guess the recent shit with Reddit is an example where I really was constricted, by virtue of no longer having the choice of mobile app to access the website through, but then, I just jumped ship to Lemmy. I can imagine I might run in to a situation where the admins of the instance I signed up to block a community I liked, but it’s very rare that this is a community that I care about and when it is, there’s almost always another server around I can make an account for and sign up to all the same communities as before. I guess in typing this I’m seeing that the answer is that, with your own instance you won’t have to keep hopping, but I guess I just so rarely get inconvenienced by admin decisions that it’s never seemed worth the trouble.

            If it’s not too prying, can I ask what is it you want to, and in practice really would do, that running your own instance has now allowed you? Not just theoretical but, like a real existing capability that you’ve gained and make use of regularly? It’s appealing to me from a theoretical basis and sometimes the theory and principle alone is enough, but the effort barrier hasn’t seemed worth it for the theoretical gains alone.

    • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      31·
      1 year ago

      That “concerned internet citizen” was a 10 hour old account whose only post was complaining about piracy. It was a troll out for some good ol manipulation.

      • freamon@endlesstalk.orgEnglish
        271·
        1 year ago

        Hey, that’s not true. They also had posts complaining about trans people existing and Star Trek fans being nerds. Still, it’s admirable - in a way - the effect they had: I ask the lemmy.world admins for updates on fixing their technical issues, and get no reply. This guy makes one post, and they all leap into action.

        • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          131·
          1 year ago

          Its very sus. Even if he had a legal point. It was so out of the blue AND fucked up my feed. I enjoy piracy stuff

    • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
      204·
      1 year ago

      oh well better late than never to migrate i spose

      EDIT: nvm looks like dbzer0 has like 0 moderation (users just uploading gore to random subs and other shit) so can’t blame lemmy world admin from having to defed. Shame.

      EDIT EDIT: oh its just anti piracy, i thought it was a defed !

    • nyoooom@lemmy.world
      243·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, it sucks but it makes sense, there is no one to defend those volunteer individuals if anyone wants to go after them.

      • Asuka@sh.itjust.works
        98·
        1 year ago

        How does it make sense? Did Comcast have to/did they block my access to RARBG while it still existed? No. I get removing piracy content on their own instance, but blocking other instances is not necessary.

        • sure@lemmy.ml
          241·
          1 year ago

          The problem is that the admins are all just volunteers and the instance doesn’t exist to make money. If a big company decides to sue them, even if they are in the right, they will be drowned in legal fees.

          • PoetSII@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            Not to mention, legality doesn’t need to be a question if the admins of Lemmy.world get drowned in legal fees before even having to appear in a court. The rich don’t exist by our laws and idk why anybody expects differently at this point.

    • Asuka@sh.itjust.works
      279·
      1 year ago

      Is allowing access to piracy resources the same as hosting piracy resources? Is Comcast at risk of being shut down because they didn’t block everyone’s access to RARBG? This is largely rhetorical; the answer is “no”. lemmy.world’s admins are not being honest.

        • TalkingCat-@lemm.ee
          122·
          1 year ago

          There is no content in these communities, they are for discussion. Linking to content is against the rules in fact.

        • Asuka@sh.itjust.works
          22·
          1 year ago

          Are you sure that’s true? All content from all other federated servers are hosted on all other servers? That certainly doesn’t sound right; I thought that the fediverse protocol just allowed us access to other servers running the protocol, not that our instance actually runs content from their instance.

          • Jonjanjer@feddit.de
            3·
            1 year ago

            Yes, this is how federation works and it’s the main point all those users that are bitching about the move do not understand. LW does not care about piracy, they are afraid of legal consequences, because with the federation protocol you are hosting all content of other instances. It’s not embedded, it’s mirrored, so there is no legal difference between the origin instance and the federated instance.

    • Samuel Proulx@rblind.comEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      Can someone transcribe this for those of us using screen readers? As a server in Canada, We’re also worried about the hosting risk of the piracy community and considering blocking it. I’d love to read the LW statement.

      • Madbrad200@sh.itjust.works
        9·
        1 year ago

        They made a announcement here on Lemmy https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

        The original was posted on discord. It was:

        Removal of Piracy Communities

        Earlier today, after review, we blocked and removed several communities that were providing assistance to access copyrighted/pirated material, which is currently not allowed per Rule #1 of our Code of Conduct.

        The communities that were removed due to this decision were: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, !piracy@lemmy.ml, !steamdeckpirates@lemmy.dbzer0.com.

        We took this action to protect lemmy.world, lemmy.world’s users, and lemmy.world staff as the material posted in those communities could be problematic for us, because of potential legal issues around copyrighted material and services that provide access to or assitance in obtaining it.

        • Samuel Proulx@rblind.com
          2·
          1 year ago

          Thanks! I didn’t realize there was an announcement on Lemmy, or I would have searched. Unfortunately screenshots are kind of the only way to share posts on Discord, because you can’t link someone to a Discord message on a server they’re not a member of, so I can’t blame you for a screenshot there. However, it is possible to add alt-text on images you post to Lemmy. :-)

    • Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee
      338·
      1 year ago

      Glad to see Lemmy.world doing their part to keep the Fediverse safe and legal for all users here.

      • zeroxxx@lemmy.my.id
        84·
        1 year ago

        The contents are still hosted by respective instances.

        World achieves nothing, they dont even host the contents. This is pure power trip or irrational fear, or both.

  • madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world
    9715·
    1 year ago

    Lots of folks here with strong opinions that have never dealt with legal proceedings, or an itemized bill calculated in 6-minute increments.

  • Hiru@lemmy.world
    8214·
    1 year ago

    They did what? How are they suppose to tell me which communities I can check and which I am not allowed to see?

    Time to move to a new instance, good riddance

          • sunaurus@lemm.ee
            31·
            1 year ago

            That user has actually not been in contact with any of our admins, I’m not sure why they are claiming otherwise.

            In any case, I shared my position on piracy on lemm.ee a few months ago, and it has not changed. TL;DR discussions about piracy are fine, but explicitly facilitating piracy on lemm.ee is not allowed, and if any such content is reported on lemm.ee then I will most likely err on the side of removing it. Having said that, I am not planning to defederate lemmy.dbzer0.com at this point, as they have not been causing any issues for lemm.ee (but, of course, I do reserve the right to re-evaluate federation with any instance if at any point they start causing problems for lemm.ee).

            Quoting my original comment about piracy on lemm.ee, just for full context:

            There’s nothing inherently illegal about VPNs, P2P, seedboxes, torrents, software for torrents, etc - as a software engineer, I have no trouble understanding that these things all have legal purposes. There can be no realistic case made against someone just because they use (or discuss the use of) any of these things. You can post and comment about stuff like this all day long.

            Also: discussing piracy topics in general (like commenting on the legality of it, just saying you do it, whatever) without actually using lemm.ee servers to host anything sketchy is fine as well.

            On the other hand, telling people “go to coolpiracywebsite.com to download the latest avengers movie” is very sketchy - you’re not directly distributing anything, but I think a case can be made that this comment is directly facilitating piracy, and if someone sends me a legal letter to remove such a comment, then TBH I will most likely just comply rather than deal with the hassle of trying to figure out how legal it is. Just being frank here - I don’t want to create false expectations of lemm.ee servers being a safe haven for content with sketchy legal status.

            • whiskers@lemmy.world
              6·
              1 year ago

              Thanks for the reply and stating your position. I’d understand deletion if you were served a legal notice for a post/comments.

            • AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works
              41·
              1 year ago

              I love shit just works but the Dude has to cover his ass legally and he may be forced to do something similar if Canadian law is also bootlicking the record companies.

          • sLLiK@lemmy.ml
            3·
            1 year ago

            Legit. Piracy related to home PC software has been around since the advent of home PCs. Before the concept of LANfests or LAN parties even existed, there were copy parties. I still have vivid memories of 8+ 1541 drives daisy-chained to a single C64. University servers hosting warez… Usenet… there’s likely earlier examples I’m not aware of.

            Before that, people were hacking phone systems in order to call long distance for free. This ain’t nothin new.

            Not something I’ve indulged in for 30+ years, though. I pay for everything, now. Guilty conscience, I suppose. 😁

    • prole@sh.itjust.works
      51·
      1 year ago

      I don’t really get it though, it’s not like they’re trying to court advertisers.

      Or are they?

      • Muddybulldog@mylemmy.winEnglish
        161·
        1 year ago

        They’re trying to avoid law enforcement and lawyers at their doors.

        Even if you prevail, either can be a very expensive and/or destructive process.

        Make no mistake, Reddit’s recent refusal to provide details surrounding users that were discussing piracy is highly unlikely to happen in the fediverse. Admins are going to get hit with a subpoena and comply because they can’t afford not to.

      • dingus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        71·
        1 year ago

        They don’t want to be arrested lmao. I am pro-piracy, but I would never want to host pirated content from my own servers. You can absolutely be jailed for that.

    • fidodo@lemm.ee
      73·
      1 year ago

      Exactly. I don’t get why people are freaking out so much when it’s easy to create a new account and clients support multiple accounts anyways. Big instances are a big target so they need to protect themselves. On Reddit the piracy subs are neutered because they can’t link to anything. What’s good about the fediverse is you can have sub verses within it. It’s dumb to have your piracy account linked to your main account anyways.

  • makeasnek@lemmy.ml
    466·
    1 year ago

    Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can’t subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.

    Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that’s the whole idea of federation.

    De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.

    Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That’s why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.

    Lemmy’s strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.

    Defederation is bad.

    • Norah - She/They@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      131·
      1 year ago

      It’s not really apt to compare email to Lemmy. Email is a one-to-one communication method, it’s like sending a letter in the mail. In the same way a mail carrier isn’t culpable if they deliver a package of drugs, Google isn’t responsible for delivering illegal emails. On Lemmy though, you’re hosting a copy of the post locally on your instance. It’s accessible to users as well as people who aren’t signed in.

  • elfahor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    231·
    1 year ago

    lemmy.world blocked it. I guess it is their right to do so, if you want to keep access to it move to another instance (it is not healthy that so many people are on LW).

  • rafa@lemmy.world
    266·
    1 year ago

    Great, time to change instance. At least it will have > 10% uptime

    • Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee
      234·
      1 year ago

      Let’s see what happens when we get everyone to defederate your ass for supporting illegal content, or are you going to evade their defederation attempts with a new domain? Are you going to violate their right to censor and ban you on their server with their own rules.

  • Summzashi@lemmy.one
    2931·
    1 year ago

    Lmao these idiots are on a power trip already. Running the biggest instance in the ground is a great way to start it all off. Fucking idiots.

    • kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world
      366·
      1 year ago

      Not sure that their monthly running budget would even cover a consultation with a lawyer. There’s no reason that they should accept this risk. Just move to a different instance or host your own instead of causing drama.

      • mysoulishome@lemmy.worldEnglish
        171·
        1 year ago

        It one guy financing it with donations and some volunteer admins. Seems very unlikely that federating with a piracy community could cause any legal problems, but if I personally owned the servers running Lemmy.world like ruud does I might be a little careful. My wife would kill me if I got arrested for hosting a Lemmy instance, man. Is it worth the risk?

    • faintwhenfree@lemmus.orgEnglish
      183·
      1 year ago

      I don’t think they are idiots more centralization means more regulation weather one likes it or not, regulators somewhere will notice you more popular you become. Piracy is illegal and media publishers will use law whenever they can to target whatever they notice. It’s now LW’s fault. Problem is it grew too big too fast. All these FOSS apps they were showing LW as default option to sign up instead of randomised one. So a big mass gathered at LW and bada-boom-bada-bam piracy banned. Register on smaller instances or run your own.

      • Summzashi@lemmy.one
        25·
        1 year ago

        That would be true if piracy was hosted on their instance, which isn’t the case. They just defederated the main hub because they’re a bunch of white knight cry babies. Also piracy isn’t illegal in the majority of the world. I don’t live in the US and don’t give a shit about the bottom line of some giant media corporation that would destroy literal lives in the pursuit of greed. Just the fact that so many people jump to the defense of these corporations is very telling about the current state of the fediverse.

        • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          1 year ago

          LW blocked three communities on db0, but they didn’t defederate with db0. This means LW users can still talk to db0 users, and db0 users can still access LW. At the same time, content from db0 will not be mirrored on LW servers. Basically, they’ve covered their arses from legal issues, while not cutting ties entirely.

          As I understand, LW servers are hosted by a German company, and Germany is rather strict on piracy. So I understand why they had to do this.

          • faintwhenfree@lemmus.orgEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Yeah there is nuance to everything. I totally understand LW’s decision and I don’t blame them, main reason I don’t have an account in LW becauze I saw this day coming long ago. And if lemmy keeps getting popular even lemmus.org might do the same and I would understand that too

    • Firipu@startrek.website
      166·
      1 year ago

      Way to misunderstand federation + legal issues… Go cry foul on reddit, they share your “outrage” mindset

      Just make an account on another server that is federated with them.

    • Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee
      1026·
      1 year ago

      LMAO you think an Instance enfocing their rules is a power trip? You sound like the dumbasses I banned from r/PS2 and r/3dshacks who would ask how to pirate games against our rules and then whine and complain that we were power tripping because we banned them using our own authority as mods in our own subreddit.