Blahaj.zone is a fucking disaster. I don’t remember any user accounts from that place who comment with any sort of sanity. It’s like the lemmygrad of the LBGTQIA+.
What are we, chopped liver?
What’s that? The consoomer-queer instance that branded itself around Swedish kitsch who routinely sell their souls and asses to cops and capitalists every year as clockwork as the seasons, has a transphobe problem? After tryna position themselves as the ‘safe’ queer instance???
Comedy gold. I couldn’t write better. 10/10.
Turns out that you have to actually ban transphobes so they disappear from your “safe” instance instead of just closing your eyes
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Considering their “fuck tankies” rule, I doubt it, without fundamentally losing the purpose of blahaj.
Lol the world power users took a stand against blahaj and are now posting goodbye posts https://lemmy.world/post/23601205
Of course it’s PJ, the most fed-coded “left” anticommunist on that site. This is, of course, after they defended Blahaj users accusing Hexbear users of being “fake trans” for “internet clout.” PJ will always take the most reactionary stance that can be shrouded in idealist leftism possible.
I had been wondering why my feed looked measurably less toxic and it was just missing PJ because he got banned from .ml 3 months ago
I blocked them because I tried several times to reach them to no avail, they’re so fed-coded and firmly denounce any successful leftist movement and firmly support only “left” anticommunism or color revolutions.
Cant wait for one of his daily anti tankie posts to mention blahaj
One of the only people I blocked on my Lemmy.ml account, their relentless “left” anticommunism would make Orwell and Chomsky blush. I tried several times to reach them but they had no consistent views, just firm denouncement of anything successful and rabid support for every color revolution as “true” leftism.
Some of them are just too far gone…
I don’t think that’s quite true, they believe what they do because underneath it all, they seek to perpetuate the Status Quo. They oppose real change to US Imperialism because they benefit from it, or at least believe they do, ergo if they can be convinced otherwise they may change their tune. However, I don’t have the patience required for that.
Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing” is a must read on this subject.
Thanks for the recommendation!
No problem!
Mythic rare not terrible lemmy.world comment:
I think it’s interesting that 4chan has invented “anon” as, functionally, a naturally occurring genderless neopronoun. I would argue even more genderless than xe/xim because while xe/xim was created in relation to gender, anon was created with no connection to gender at all. Xe/xim is “not he or she” whereas anon is he, she, they, xe, or anything else. There’s other words as well (homie, oomfie, bestie) that are functionally genderless neopronouns although these (and anon) are commonly used alongside gendered pronouns eg: anon posted his greentext on 4chan, I visited bestie and her dog.
Deeply looking forward to adding the “singular ‘chat’” discourse to the struggle session list once everyone is over “singular ‘they’”.
This is absolutely not true. The “anonymity” of 4chan was always cishet coded - there’s no girls on the internet etc. And if any woman wants to assert her gender she can, she just has to open herself up to misogynistic harassment - t*ts or gtfo etc.
Then there’s the use of the gay f-word that 4chan likes to slap onto everything. It’s always been a male space.
“bro” is a currently very popular neopronoun that cishets have no trouble parsing
post readsettlers at him, see if you get banned for anti-white racism as well
Lib status: SCRATCHED!
Like natural fire cycles in a forest promotes healthy growth purges too are a needed part in keeping a healthy social sphere
i was honestly so surpised when we were originally talking about what pronouns to add, i very hesitantly suggested a neopronoun even though i was awkward and nervous and scared of stepping on trans peoples’ toes, and the only responce i got was “cool. done 👍”… like, you’re not going to make me justify that? or explain my whole deal? or even ask what that is??? wild. based hexbear
The thing is, and what those arguing against it don’t understand, that it matters to someone and that’s enough to say “okay, who cares if this user is trolling (or dragons aren’t real or what-the-fuck-ever), it matters to someone so it’s worth protecting.”
What dumber still is that the people who use it to troll only get their kicks if anyone reacts to it. If no one does and just calls them what they say they want they’ll just give up.
The site with Blahaj in the name didn’t already have a neopronouns rule?
Not really surprising, the name itself is a red flag
I think they did and this is just a clarification/reminder.
I think the reminder was basically, “It doesn’t matter if you think either a user’s pronouns or the user themselves is trolling (or problematic, etc.) - the rules still require you to respect everyone’s pronouns.”
Apparently some moderators think that the now banned hexbear troll with the username: “dronerights”, modlog entry here warning for reactionary content and trolling, has returned to troll the Blahaj.zone as a new account, which had led to this whole blow up.
not surprised that a drama pervert like pugjesus is slobbering all over that thread
PJ is almost comically fed-coded, I have never seen a more blatant wrecker. They only support color revolutions and failed attempts as “true leftism,” denouncing all AES and even the Black Panthers. They are one of the few people I blocked on my Lemmy.ml account.
Yeah I blocked that fucker a few months ago over the constant whiny memes they were posting.
They’re the absolute worst, just terrible opinions all around and a massive condescending asshole about everything too.
Where did that bring you?
I guess we are the Mecha-Stalin of queer people then
Another reminder that your movement requires people constantly pushing the envelope to root out reactionaries. 🫡 to the dragon.
What is the impulse that causes people to think anyone wants to hear about the things they don’t like?
Simply don’t engage if you think neopronouns are strange and let everyone else live their lives.
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I don’t hold this opinion about neopronouns just thinking into the text field
Simply don’t engage if you think neopronouns are strange and let everyone else live their lives.
Or just don’t get hung up on the pronouns and evaluate their posts based on their content. If you don’t care about what they post, no need to worry about their pronouns, and if you do want to respond, it’s not that hard to work out.
The thing I find most amusing of this whole drama is that that main people involved make up 50% of my block list for generally being annoying as hell, no matter what they’re posting about. If we could get Flying Squid and the Media Bias bot from the .world news communities to weigh in, I could round out the whole list.
Drag can do as drag wants, I’m not going to see it, so I don’t care.
Some mods also believe this user to be a new account by a troll named droneright.
Ok now that’s a reference only some people that have been on here for a long time will get. All I can say is:
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If the Blahaj.zone admins are allowing dronerights version 3.0 to troll their community and abuse their understanding and empathy, and are dismissing moderator concerns about it, that would be a new low. Even worse than the “people of NATO” stuff the admins trotted out during hexbear federation. Dronerights was such an obvious troll that they even got banned on hexbear years ago.
For those unfamiliar with dronerights, you can view their modlog entry here. Warning for reactionary content and trolling.
The way we got PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES (this was dronesright’s original account although I don’t think that account was used on Hexbear) was simply to respect its pronouns and wait for it to slip up on something else which reactionaries tend to do. I think PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES fucked up by being racist.
Well apparently the dragon user has already engaged in misgendering and encouraging suicide on the Blahaj.zone according to their modlog, but they’re not site banned and even got unbanned from the trans community, from what I can see? Just real
stuff by the Blahaj.zone admins. I think I linked the Blahaj.zone modlog for the dragon user in another comment if you want to see for yourself.Hi, I mod over there as of recently. I actually banned (and recently unbanned) the dragon user on that comm because I wasn’t really aware of the extent of the lore surrounding the various accounts as it was before my time. I also didn’t even think to dig into the hexbear modlog either.
The vibes were definitely off, but I figured just give it a couple weeks and unban as drag had messaged me disputing being the other users. I figured someone would either speak up or drag would say something more incriminating down the line. I would appreciate any more background you might have though.
Gj on the moderation nice to see someone cares about safe spots for trans people. Wanna mod on traa too or is it too much?
I’d love to help out on traa!
I’m glad I’m not the only one who got the sense that this was Dronerights again, but I’m even happier that this whole mishegoss lead to a stronger stance on neo-pronouns and some of the worst shitheads are crying about it.
I just have no clue why the admins want to die on the hill of defending dronerights and allowing them on the instance, if that’s what’s happening. The simple and obvious solution is just to ban trolls like dronerights, trust the moderators that volunteer for you, and most importantly, update the pronouns policy to be more inclusive of neopronouns and ban the bigots, which is what hexbear did years ago. Better end result with much less drama. But I have a feeling that a lot of Internet admins enjoy drama and grandstanding, so that approach would be unappealing.
I gotta disagree. While my bs detector is telling me Dragon Rider is Dronerights, UmbraVivi makes a good point later in this thread, especially with the mention of Otherkins. Dragon Rider may not be acting in good faith (or maybe is, I can’t say with certainty), but others like drag might in the future. I think Blahaj is doing the best thing right now.
EDIT: Plus, if you and my bs detector are right, then Dragon Rider will end up doing with Dronerights did: engage in clear rule-breaking behavior that results in a ban anyways.
Plus, if you and my bs detector are right, then Dragon Rider will end up doing with Dronerights did: engage in clear rule-breaking behavior that results in a ban anyways.
You see that’s where I disagree: if the admins are foolish enough to let an obvious troll like dronerights on the instance, they’ll be allowed to engage in rule breaking behaviour without getting banned. Apparently the dragon user has already been banned from a few communities by moderators for rule breaking behaviour, but the admins are still allowing them on the instance. I think that you are vastly overestimating the Blahaj.zone admins competence, they have come up with some wild stuff over the years, people of NATO was just one of the highlights.
Just look at this modlog of the dragon user. Apparently they have a history of “misgendering and encouraging suicide”, yet they’re still allowed on the instance? Pure incompetence not to site ban them. Apparently one of the entries in the log states that a “perm ban was heavy-handed”?!?!? So they’re just going to let the dragon user roam freely on the instance after all that? Incredible stuff is happening on the internet. The admin post is all about respecting pronouns, to protect a user that doesn’t do that themselves according to their own modlog history. Peak irony right there. Incredible stuff from the admin team.
But if they want to set fire to their instance over supporting a troll that has been banned across Lemmy for racist behaviour and partaking in misgendering themselves, including on here, that’s none of our business really. We as an instance have also made some really boneheaded decisions over the years.
The modlog is pretty damning – some folks are in desperate need of hobbies.
I still don’t think dronerights was a troll as such, just a genuine fucking weirdo with plenty of reactionary opinions. Like, I think it genuinely believes all the wild ass shit it claimed to believe.
Read that bz thread and my main takeaway is- does bz not have pronouns in username?
Do you have to check someone’s bio just to have a civilized conversation over there?
The radlibs are decades behind the tankies because they refuse to use Lenin’s “decades in weeks” technology. We have a strategic advantage.
32·3 months agoYou can change your display name to include pronouns, as some have done. But what we do here on hexbear (which also uses the display name feature) is specific to our fork of lemmy
First fantastic HB decision, truly separated the wheat from the chaff
Yep, people have to change their username to add pronouns to their names, many dont do that and prefer to just add them to their bios
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust; 2016 attack helicopter nonsense to 2016 attack helicopter nonsense. Although now the sides are flipped.
Is there a good article to help me understand neopronouns?
Why would you need an article to understand pronouns? I know they’re both types of function words, but they really have nothing else in common!
In all seriousness I wrote but never published a thing about neopronouns a long time ago, so maybe I should polish that up and make an effortpost out of it — although obviously with a warning that they’re just the views of one person who goes by neopronouns, that by no means should be taken as representative of the views of absolutely everyone who does.
I would appreciate the effort post. I don’t really understand why people feel the need for neopronouns. I don’t have to understand, but I’d like to.
I don’t really understand why people feel the need for neopronouns.
To be fair, the word “she” split off from the pronoun “he” in Old English a long time ago, but it used to be a completely different variant of the he pronoun. (hēo)
But of course, today, I don’t think anybody would tell someone who uses she/her pronouns that she should just use he/him because “why would you feel the need for anything else.”
So with that context, I don’t believe it’s terribly unexpected for people to use neopronouns that are effectively split off from existing language.
I’m not disputing the validity of neopronouns or anything, and I appreciate you trying to help me, but I must say I don’t agree with your argument, but that probably because of my own experience.
If I lived in a world where the only pronouns were he/him then I doubt I would ever think to use they/them. That’s the part that confuses me, it doesn’t seem like a gradual linguistic change, but rather an individual decision. I feel like there must be some good theory on the subject. Leslie Feinberg helped me understand trans stuff much better, is there some similar text for neopronouns?is there some similar text for neopronouns?
I’m unfortunately not aware of any in particular, since my personal field of knowledge around the general subject hasn’t been terribly focused on neopronouns specifically.
f I lived in a world where the only pronouns were he/him then I doubt I would ever think to use they/them.
I can understand that, but do remember that this is the exact world that people who now go by she/her pronouns lived in, and they didn’t have those new pronouns to go by… until they did. And of course, since all language is made up, it’s not like the terms created themselves, somebody had to start by aligning themself with the terms.
So I think that:
but that probably because of my own experience.
Is more likely to be the reason why it simply doesn’t feel like you’d use they/them, had those been neopronouns.
He/him was just more expansive, and covered practically everything, so I’m assuming it’s less likely that any given individual would have wanted to switch to a neopronoun, whereas today, pronouns like he/him, she/her, and even they/them can have more societal connotations and expectations, which can feel restrictive to some individuals, thus neopronouns act as a way to break out of things like gender stereotypes even further, at least based on how I understand those who tend to identify with them based on personal anecdotal, and some light literary experience.
