Like the Leia getting force powers out of nowhere in space. Sheesh.
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That could be another thread, probably more engaging
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Most of them are from sequels
Out of nowhere? Luke tells her she can use the force in RotJ
To answer your question though, “I’ve been wondering. What are middichlorians?”
Sounds like a really bad film they made to show in schools for when teachers are uncomfortable with the subject
“Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?” from
TFATLJ.One of my favourite scenes from the sequel trilogy. It’s such a stupid scene, I can’t help but love it.
She uses her powers to find Luke at the end of Episode V. (The scene you described is weird nonetheless)
The whole “REEEEE SINCE WHEN DOES LEIA HAVE FORCE POWERS!!!” shit is just…goddamn it
There was SO MUCH wrong with that movie, and you picked the most obvious, easily explained, not-in-any-way-a-plot-hole scene?
It had to be people who never actually saw the original trilogy. That’s the only explanation.
I’m more mad at the execution than the fact they did it. No build up to it, and you can practically see the wire.
The issue I had with that particular scene is not that she had force powers. She comes from a force-sensitive family, so her having latent force powers makes sense. Key word here being “latent”.
What absolutely did NOT make any fucking sense is A: Leia not dying of asphyxiation when she enters the vacuum of space and B: Leia just happening to know how to use force pull without any prior training. Like, they don’t even try to hand-wave it off by saying something like “Oh, she spent some time training with Luke when you weren’t looking” or something.
She did spend time training with Luke when you weren’t looking. I mix up canon and legends but I’m pretty sure the same thing happens in both, more or less - she learns quite a lot of the basics from Luke until she has a vision of her son dying at the “end of her Jedi path”, and in both Legends and Canon that vision is fulfilled.
How could the daughter of the most powerful force-user possibly have Force powers?
It’s truly baffling.
Well, we’d already found out who’s Luke’s dad, so the film ended with a cliff hanger which would get people talking: why was she able to hear Luke?
“Somehow Palpatine returned”
Comedy gold. Literally in the opening crawl and then some background character was like “I don’t know, dark force powers, cloning or some shit” and that was all we got 🤣
I always said that opening crawl should behave been the movie. How Palestine came back, grew power, and the opening 10 seconds of him searching for the stones. That should have been half of the movie
Watch that and then the “By Grabthar’s Hammer, what a savings” line from Galaxy Quest.
It’s the exact same pained expression, but Oscar Isaac’s is real.
Definitely needed explained better (or at all).
I don’t really mind it as a plot twist, but it shouldn’t have just come out of nowhere. I’m still not clear on exactly what is supposed to have happened there.
Also, there was that weird thing where they announced it in Fortnite, wtf was that about.
At least they are explaining it now. That seems to be the entire plot of The Mandalorian.
It is/was a terrible idea. It inherently devalues the end of the original trilogy and it’s incredibly lazy.
I agree that it’s a pretty bad idea to bring back Palpatine, and that the execution of that idea was also really bad, but this idea has been in the Star Wars universe for a long time - in the early 90s the Dark Empire comics were all about a clone of the emperor secretly working to assemble a powerful industrial and military machine in the galactic core, before going on a crusade to restore the galactic empire, with Luke Skywalker as his new enforcer, to replace Dark Vader.
The comics were and are extremely popular and a lot of the sequel movies seem to pull some ideas from them, but never in a way that really makes sense. For example, in Dark Empire, the republic has to deal with a mysterious new military force conducting heavy strip mining of planets long before they know anything of the new imperial threat.
It’s well known (and good) trait of Star Wars movies that they jump straight into the action without too much context, but the writing on episode 9 was so sloppy it feels amateurish. I’m not exaggerating when I say that I believe they could have got a fanfic author to do a better job. Delivering exposition like “somehow, palpatine has returned” directly to the audience is a fucking joke.
To be fair, though, I think the scenes on Exegol pretty much confirm that it was cloning, or some kind of Sith alchemy, and subsequent works (the Mandalorian, for example) are definitely leading in that direction, but that’s a post-hoc explanation for something that already damaged our immersion, not foreshadowing or a further explanation of something that was already plausible but a mystery.
I do think it’s a really good thing to have mystery in Star Wars, not everything needs to be explained and every new story should add new mysteries. I think things being mentioned and not explained (the Clone Wars mentioned in ep 4 being the best example of that, imo) is part of what makes the universe feel vast and real, like it has a full history that you could study for years. So I don’t agree with that “an intriguing story hook is shown and never explored” is always fair criticism. Sometimes it is, but often it’s just a cool mystery that will inevitably be answered in some minor novel or comic a few years later.
Anyways, I’m not saying they should have copied Dark Empire, or demonstrate/explain exactly how Palpatine returned or how he built his fleet. They should have just hinted at it by having the resistance interact with a new military force with a different aesthetic than the New Order. Have Rey bothered by a growing darkness that she assumes is Kylo, but reveal that Kylo had felt it too and doesn’t know what it is. Show the cloning vats and Sith alchemy on Exegol before we know that Palpatine’s back.
Definitely, 100%, don’t announce the twist villain of your movie on Fortnite to generate buzz. Make less money, probably, but a much better movie. I’ve written way too much in this comment, sorry, I’m having an autism/adhd moment
I agree that it’s a pretty bad idea to bring back Palpatine, and that the execution of that idea was also really bad, but this idea has been in the Star Wars universe for a long time
What’s funny is that I didn’t know about that (I’m a movies only type on SW, never known much about the extended universe), but I actually think it’s fine as an idea. Just needed to be presented better.
I would like, for instance to know how, if at all, Palpatine and Snoke were connected. The sudden loss of Snoke in TLJ really robbed the sequels of their villain far too soon. If he had stuck around to IX, and then was revealed to be a front for Palpatine (with explanation for his survival) that would have worked better.
Still though, I really enjoyed IX, which I know is an unpopular opinion, but after TLJ, it just felt right again, even if lots of it was very silly.
In my opinion, and this is gonna be deep Star Wars legends theorising rather than canon, Snoke was almost definitely intended to be Darth Plagueis (of “the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise” fame), Palpatine’s former master. He was obsessed with Sith alchemy, cloning, biological engineering, that kind of thing, and famously could “keep the ones he cared about from dying […] but not himself”. He roughly matches the appearance of the character, with some extra scarring. He would be one of the few characters capable of producing a viable force sensitive clone (I’m ignoring X-1 and X-2, because they’re minor game characters which probably didn’t get much thought put into them) something which Vader and the Kaminoans had been working on secretly with limited success.
I think the reason that we didn’t get a Snoke=Plagueis reveal in Rise of the Skywalker (RotS) is because fans had been speculating about it from the beginning, and “defying audience expectations” was vogue in media at the time (e.g. the game of thrones final season), and extremely heavy criticism of The Last Jedi (TLJ) influenced the story team to almost completely ignore TLJ entirely, almost as if it was cursed and if they referenced any events in it, RotS would also be cursed. So they had to, essentially, cram two whole movies of storytelling into RotS, which is why the pacing of that movie is so absolutely ridiculous.
The likelihood is that we’ll never get a direct answer as to Snoke’s origins, or if we do, it’ll be in some random novel or comic. I get the feeling that Disney want to brush a lot of the sequel trilogy’s bigger mistakes under the rug, so to speak.
Definitely, 100%, don’t announce the twist villain of your movie on Fortnite to generate buzz. Make less money, probably, but a much better movie. I’ve written way too much in this comment, sorry, I’m having an autism/adhd moment
That is still the stupidest bit of it, it’s not even revealing the twist villain that’s the issue even, like that could have built mystery if it was in the trailers and shit right, it’s using a third party studio to reveal a critical plot point in a media that is pretty young, both in it’s age and audience, and in a game that’s looked down upon by the generation that would probably be the target audience for the reveal
Also it’s time limited so it’s just a matter of time before his reveal becomes lost media, so great thing there too
This was honestly so funny, it’s hard to be mad at them for just not even giving a shit. Yeah we could pull an explanation out of our asses that won’t make any sense, or we just throw that libe at people.
Palatine’s here, now stop asking questions and put popcorn in your mouth!
Shit… Play the Mr Plinkett Star Wars drinking game.
You’ll die of alcohol poisoning today.
The Plinkett reviews are probably the best thing about the prequels existance.
The ones added in the “special” editions
Nope, Leia space surfing was the worst
Does the whole of the Boba Fett series count?
I found it alright, qnd it looked cool when i started watching it. But as soon as that baby yoda hit the screen i knew that disney adults would freak the fuck out and he’s gonna ve everywhere now. I don’t think i finished the first season and from what i’ve seen from the rest if it, i don’t wanna go back.
The hover bike chase, dear lord.
It had a few moments but yeah.
The few moments being the two bonus episodes of The Mandalorian, otherwise it was just Boba Fett walking around with his weird perfect teeth telling everyone he was Boba Fett and everyone being like “uh, okay.”
Oh, you mean the part where they almost completely undid the Mando S2 finale?
Then Mando S3 undid the rest
All of Star Wars?
Well… Lumpy, Chewie’s son, watching some kind of erotic show in the Holiday Special.
Wasn’t that Chewie’s dad?
Isn’t it Chewie’s dad who was watching the weird porn? I forget which parts of the holiday special I remember and which parts are Star Wars inspired fever dreams.
Yeah could be, I feel the same
There’s a scene from the OT that kills me. When they’re on Endor in the evening and Leia and Han are being “romantic” and it is some of the most soap opera dialogue in the whole series.
Its arguably not terrible when you read it, but watching it I was rolling my eyes. People love to hate on the Padme+Anakin romance but the Han+Luke+Leia love triangle is equally as hard to watch, in my opinion. If we’re going to give one a hard time we can’t ignore the other. Lucas just isn’t the best at dialogue
Leia holds back her tears as Luke slowly lets her go and moves away. He disappears onto the walkway that leads out of the village. Leia, bathed in moonlight, watches him go as Han comes out of the Chief’s hut and comes over to her. Leia is crying, her body trembling. He realizes only now that she is crying.
HAN Hey, what’s goin’ on?
Leia attempts to stifle her sobs and wipes her eyes.
LEIA Nothing. I - just want to be alone for a little while.
HAN (angry) Nothing? Come on, tell me. What’s goin’ on?
She looks up at him, struggling to control herself.
LEIA I…I can’t tell you.
HAN (loses his temper) Did you tell Luke? Is that who you could tell?
LEIA I…
HAN Ahhh…
He starts to walk away, exasperated, then stops and walks back to her.
HAN I’m sorry.
LEIA Hold me.
Han gathers her tightly in his protective embrace.
Funnily enough I thought it was worse when I read it. The actors at least made it somewhat believable. It was terrible though.
There are some.
The Death Planet ih the new trilogy destroyed the exact same way as Luke destroyed the Death Star.
The fact that they realized that “parsec” is a length unit, and they came up with a total bullshit explanation for “doing the Kessel run in 12 parsec”.
Nearly every maintenance infrastructure built like a giant death trap. The reactor room where Maul killed Qui-Gon, the scene where Luke realizes that Vader is his father, and so on.
The Kessel run thing was done in the EU books ages ago, but honestly I still liked the idea that Han was just talking out his ass (and obi wan’s expression actually works for this idea).
Each trilogy is pretty much a rerun of the last, blow up something big first movie - but oh no it was only the start. Finish with blowing up something bigger
Kessel run is really just a personal preference then, cause like it entirely fits the lore just you don’t like it so we shouldn’t?
A massive part of star wars is the aesthetic, and sure its not always gonna be 100% reasonable bit like those scenes probably wouldn’t be as interesting in a 4’ x 4’ storage closet in an office space
(also fits the empires idea of things need to look pretty on top, but beneath they couldn’t care less about health and safety, as long as they remain I power)
The Kessel run might fit the lore, but the lore was clearly added after the fact and it’s so much of a stretch that the black holes look like silhouettes that were made for me on the other side
Seeing Obi Wan and Yoda in the original trilogy treat Darth Vader as if he’s some rando to deal with saddens me. Forgetting he has a name, glossing over his legacy, asserting his lack of humanity, constantly telling Luke he must kill him, etc. when he was thrust into the mold by them and wasn’t without reasoning makes the jedi in the original trilogy seem shittier to me than the other movies. My gal Ahsoka wouldn’t do that.
when he was thrust into the mold by them
The problem with that chain of reasoning is that Obi Wan and Yoda in the OT didn’t know at the time that they were partly responsible. That story hadn’t been written, yet.
Never thought of it like that. I always thought the prequels were designed with that in mind but didn’t care on the basis that the jedi were Mary-Sue-ish (for a lack of a better way of explaining).
“That’s a good question, for another time”
That another time never happened. Sums up the sequel trilogy. Lots of setup, but no payoff.
Ugh that scene TFA derailed it in microseconds. So much stupid hand waving by JJ. That movie started on such a high note, then every minute following the opening act was like watching a bouncy house slowly deflate.
