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    I know the idea is to be snarky and calling them “new age” somehow makes them less than real science, but the reality is there is some amazing science that has been done that shows how these different chemicals influence our brains and our behaviors. Good video on the topic with in-depth explanations from real scientists:

    HAPPINESS: A Guide to the Drugs That Can Help You Get There -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAmgNoWzVk&t=29s

    The scientist in the video:

    https://www.archventure.com/team/axel-bouchon/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Odekunle

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      I mean the point wasn’t that these chemicals don’t exist or that they’re not important for our brain chemistry, but the way influencers just make up shit about them (like in the image).

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      Bloodletting is pretty beneficial tho…

      I mean, not everyone donating does it out of the goodness of their heart, there’s a health benefit.

      But back when they just let it out… That’s still the treatment for lead poisoning and off the top of my head I can’t think of a reason it wouldn’t help with micro plastics in the same way.

      But when bloodletting was a big thing. So was lead poisoning.

      It wasn’t helping for the reason people thought, but it’s not up there with surgeons intentionally not washing their hands before surgery

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        Bloodletting is definitely NOT a treatment for lead poisoning, or for anything that you can think of.

        Poisoning by metals is usually treated by using a chelating agent: a molecule that creates an ionic bond with that metal, and makes it easier for the body to excrete it or prevents it from being absorbed further, like dimercaprol or EDTA.

        Guys, we figured all this shit out in the 18th and 19th century. How are we going back to the days of the dumbdumb? This moronic concept of “me think so must be” is dead: we actually test hypothesis now.

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        Yes, like that. Good job, some idiots may actually believe that. Now post it on wherever those idiots are like instragram and tiktok or whatever.

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        Scientist here. Microplastics in the body are too ingrained in our bodies for bloodletting to do much of anything. They’re even found in fetuses.

        The good news (?) is we don’t know enough about microplastics to conclusively say they’re horrible for our health. The bad news is, I’d bet a lot of money that they are.

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          The whole situation seems pretty hopeless. Is there any hope for improving the situation, or can we only hope that our governments can ban plastic outside of necessary areas before it goes further south?

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            Well, we don’t yet have evidence that it’s bad for our bodies, per se. That’s step one to getting things to change, IMO. So far we just have theories. Personally, I subscribe to the theory that microplastics are linked to changes in immune cell function/inflammation, which in turn leads to changes in the brain amd leads to some types of neurodegeneratove disorders like Alzheimer’s. Again, a theory, not any conclusive proof. It could be the case that microplastics aren’t causing damage.

            But, with the technology we have now, I can imagine some solutions. Most promising, in my opinion, would be something akin to an mRNA vaccine. Introduce the mRNA to your body to produce a protein that targets plastic and leads to its removal from the body, almost like an antibody.

            But with the NIH in the United States now targeting mRNA vaccine research for “critical review” as part of Trump’s agenda, the technology may not be long for this part of the world… even though it has revolutionized our ability to quickly, safely, and inexpensively produce vaccines against disease.

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              Well, Europe is picking up researchers now like an inverse Operation Paperclip, so it’s possible research could continue.

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                The whole mRNA research that the US Pfizer vaccine and all other mRNA based vaccines were based of was conducted in Germany, the US only licenced the vaccine for production.

                Research will continue and has been continuing, but it might not be available in the US. You bet Trump and Musk will get it if they need it though.

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              Wait you can do crazy shit like that with mRNA vaccines?

              Does that mean potentially preventing even prion disease is possible?

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                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunotherapy?wprov=sfla1

                Immunotherapy is crazy.

                Prion diseases would be harder because things circulating in your blood don’t always enter your brain (thanks to your astrocytes, which help protect your neurons). But if you can get the right cells to produce the right protein, you can do a lot of amazing things.

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          Same with lead…

          When it builds up in the blood stream above a certain concentration it starts getting stored in organs.

          I know they can cross the bloodbrain barrier, I’m just not sure when/how it starts to accumulate in organs. If it’s just immediate, yeah, no gains.

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          So, I just looked it up and people with hemochromatosis are able to safely (all other conditions being okay) donate blood, and are allowed to do so more frequently than usual. Previous restrictions were based on the concern that they might lie about dangerous things like HIV, because they couldn’t afford to pay for blood removal.

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        and off the top of my head I can’t think of a reason it wouldn’t help with micro plastics in the same way

        That’s not a replacement for research. Bloodletting was the subject of one of the first ever clinical trials and we’ve known since then that it’s not effective or even harmful. There’s a handful of exceptions where it’s still done but never without a solid reason.

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      Oxytocin is Leo as the group leader for social bonding, cortisol is Ralph because he’s always stressed, dopamine is Donny playing with his machines and tech for the challenge/reward, and serotonin is Michaelangelo the happy party dude.

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          you need to learn how to communicate with people and help them instead of expecting everyone stay completely isolated and do everything by themselves.

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      Yea I don’t get it at all. I don’t understand the tweet or the screenshot.

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            It’s also crazy to realize something you think to be common knowledge turns out to not be common knowledge. We learned about the four humours in high school English because it’s relevant to analyzing older texts. I don’t think I know anyone IRL who don’t know what they are.

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              Well, lots of folks here, who speak English as a second language. I had my analyzing-older-texts classes in German, where these humours were not relevant to the best of my knowledge. I once heard about them in psychology class, but that’s about it.

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                English is also my second language, but I still remember learning at least a little bit about it. Maybe it was in history class, or maybe it was as part of the introduction to germ theory in natural sciences class

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              You made me think about how (and in some ways more importantly who) we learn of them. I think I picked it up from mentions in philosophy and biology classes that started the greeks and then moved forward, and from a few fantasy books that used the concept. There may have also been some of those ‘child education’ type science books when I was a kid. You have the english classes, which to me seems an even more akilter way to pick them up. I would bet that many historians would get it, and people who take classics as their major.

              That makes me think that most of my peers in the medical field and nerd section of the library should get the reference, and maybe some of the folks who would occasionally remember and remark on interesting historical works or times… but that must still be less than 2-10% of the population. Which, since I had thought it was common knowledge, really stuns…

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              My cowoker has no idea, I just asked him. I know of them through fantasy and possibly school. We are around the same age but had pretty different childhoods.

              Actually I’m playing Do No Harm right now and they’re a big part of the gameplay.

              I also can’t name all four off the top of my head right now but I have information retrieval problems because my brain sucks and I’ve abused it.

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            Meh, you watch enough television, movies, and play enough games nowadays you’re bound to learn more than the average US education system.