If so, was it polled somewhere?

  • archomrade [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Huh? Who’s denying the reality of the war? It really seems like it’s you who has lost sight of what war really means, you should know what the cost is of extending the conflict indefinitely. Russia will not leave Ukraine without either a treaty or a defeat, and one of those options is realistic, and the other will come at the cost of possibly millions of lives. If Ukraine pushes Russia out completely and are unable to secure a treaty, they must be ready to defend the retaken ground for the foreseeable future. You’ve abandoned diplomacy because you are (rightfully) outraged over Russia’s actions, but that outrage doesn’t change the calculus of the war.

    Honestly, it’s pointless arguing with you, because you’ve detached yourself from reason and nothing but blood will satisfy you. You are no better than the war hawks in DC, sending Ukrainians to the meat grinder in order to keep the gears of war turning and the defense contractors employed.

    Everyone who cares about the loss of lives should be looking toward a diplomatic end to the war. A desperate Russia is more likely to initiate direct conflict with NATO and the west. We must end the war now, before it escalates further.

    Anyone who says otherwise is dreaming.

    • FaeDrifter
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      1 year ago

      If you had two choices

      1. Be put on your knees with your hands tied behind your back with a gun to your head, watch your wife and your daughter be raped in front of your eyes, screaming in pain and fear, crying out for you for help them, watch them be beaten and brutalized and finally executed while you are helpless

      2. Get some “lethal aid” from your neighborhood and defend your home in a firefight, and have a chance at defending yourself and your family even in a dangerous situation that might still leave you injured or dead

      Which one are you choosing? I’m choosing #2, in a heartbeat.

      I hate war, I hate violence, I own guns and I’ve never, ever shot them at a person. But I believe in self defense against the fascists and imperialists more than I believe in giving them what they want. And if they came from my home and family, I would be so happy to receive any assistance I could get.

      Russia did this. This is Russia’s fault. If this situation is somehow advantageous for the west (and it really isn’t), that was Putin’s doing.