I’ll say it once again, since you can’t seem to get this through your head. Unless the left is able to engage people on their material conditions then the right will. What demographic exactly has your approach claimed. If what you were advocating was effective we wouldn’t be seeing the rise of the right wing movements all across Europe. And I’m linking to media that actually talks about the economic and energy situation in Europe. You just want to pretend this problem doesn’t exist.
There is an economic problem due to various factors, but over-simplifying it on lack of cheap energy is only playing into the hands of populist right-wing demagogues and is also preventing the urgently needed transition to renewable energy sources.
And just to repeat: what you are advocating has been tried by left parties in Europe for years and it isn’t effective either.
I’m not over simplifying anything. I’ve repeatedly said that other factors matter, but it’s obvious that energy prices jumping by a huge amount is a major factor. Claiming this only only plays into the hands of right-wing populists is nonsense, especially so in the context of having discussions on Lemmy of all places.
Transition from fossil fuels to nuclear and renewables is absolutely necessary, but that’s going to take years to do. People are suffering today, and there needs to be an answer for these people. Blocking the discussion on the subject is counterproductive. Instead of pretending that the problem isn’t real, which makes the left look like clowns, people need to acknowledge the problem and provide left wing solutions to counter the ones the right promotes. It’s frankly shocking that you’re unable to comprehend this.
Trust me, we had the same discussion for a long time already in Europe. Its not as easy as you think it is, and the rise of the populist right is largely because the center-left parties thought they could do what you propose.
Nowhere did I say that I think this is in any way easy. What I’m saying is that unless the left can connect with people on tangible material issues that affect them then majority of people will go to people who do. The reason the right is gaining popularity is precisely because they talk about things that people are experiencing personally. The center-left parties you talk of are opportunists, they don’t have real convictions, and they offer no solutions. This is why they have no popularity.
Again, if what you advocate for worked then it would be the left growing and not the right. Maybe try doing some self reflection instead of spending your time being condescending and smearing people. Why is your approach not working, why is it that the right and not the left growing. What will happen if material conditions continue to deteriorate, where will people flood to?
Failing to understand what is causing the majority of the economic issue of the people (as I have shown to you multiple times already now, using data from sources you yourself shared), is a sure way to fail improving the economic conditions of people.
That’s the problem, you haven’t shown that at all. You just keep repeating yourself like a broken record and ignoring many holes in your argument. You just keep ignoring the elephant in the room. As far as I can tell, the real reason here is that it doesn’t fit your narrative that Europe doesn’t actually need cheap energy or the current industries that employ people. You see this as an opportunity to transition to renewables, and you apparently don’t care about the suffering involved in doing this transition in the fashion it’s being done. Telling people that their jobs are no longer necessary and that their skills are worthless is precisely what drives them to the right.
The “elephant in the room” that is maybe responsible for 10-15% of the overall problems we see in Europe. I have shown you this multiple times now. It just doesn’t fit the narrative that you are so stuck to, hence you keep ignoring the facts.
The facts are that massive civil unrest coincides with the economic war. You have yet to provide an alternative explanation for why that should happen. There are of course underlying problems that are inherent in capitalism, and the contradictions have been building for many decades now. The pandemic and the economic war on top of it are acting as catalysts triggering the systemic collapse. If you think that the current system will survive mostly as it is and just going to need some light reforms then you’re deluded.
I’ll say it once again, since you can’t seem to get this through your head. Unless the left is able to engage people on their material conditions then the right will. What demographic exactly has your approach claimed. If what you were advocating was effective we wouldn’t be seeing the rise of the right wing movements all across Europe. And I’m linking to media that actually talks about the economic and energy situation in Europe. You just want to pretend this problem doesn’t exist.
There is an economic problem due to various factors, but over-simplifying it on lack of cheap energy is only playing into the hands of populist right-wing demagogues and is also preventing the urgently needed transition to renewable energy sources.
And just to repeat: what you are advocating has been tried by left parties in Europe for years and it isn’t effective either.
I’m not over simplifying anything. I’ve repeatedly said that other factors matter, but it’s obvious that energy prices jumping by a huge amount is a major factor. Claiming this only only plays into the hands of right-wing populists is nonsense, especially so in the context of having discussions on Lemmy of all places.
Transition from fossil fuels to nuclear and renewables is absolutely necessary, but that’s going to take years to do. People are suffering today, and there needs to be an answer for these people. Blocking the discussion on the subject is counterproductive. Instead of pretending that the problem isn’t real, which makes the left look like clowns, people need to acknowledge the problem and provide left wing solutions to counter the ones the right promotes. It’s frankly shocking that you’re unable to comprehend this.
Trust me, we had the same discussion for a long time already in Europe. Its not as easy as you think it is, and the rise of the populist right is largely because the center-left parties thought they could do what you propose.
Nowhere did I say that I think this is in any way easy. What I’m saying is that unless the left can connect with people on tangible material issues that affect them then majority of people will go to people who do. The reason the right is gaining popularity is precisely because they talk about things that people are experiencing personally. The center-left parties you talk of are opportunists, they don’t have real convictions, and they offer no solutions. This is why they have no popularity.
Again, if what you advocate for worked then it would be the left growing and not the right. Maybe try doing some self reflection instead of spending your time being condescending and smearing people. Why is your approach not working, why is it that the right and not the left growing. What will happen if material conditions continue to deteriorate, where will people flood to?
Failing to understand what is causing the majority of the economic issue of the people (as I have shown to you multiple times already now, using data from sources you yourself shared), is a sure way to fail improving the economic conditions of people.
That’s the problem, you haven’t shown that at all. You just keep repeating yourself like a broken record and ignoring many holes in your argument. You just keep ignoring the elephant in the room. As far as I can tell, the real reason here is that it doesn’t fit your narrative that Europe doesn’t actually need cheap energy or the current industries that employ people. You see this as an opportunity to transition to renewables, and you apparently don’t care about the suffering involved in doing this transition in the fashion it’s being done. Telling people that their jobs are no longer necessary and that their skills are worthless is precisely what drives them to the right.
The “elephant in the room” that is maybe responsible for 10-15% of the overall problems we see in Europe. I have shown you this multiple times now. It just doesn’t fit the narrative that you are so stuck to, hence you keep ignoring the facts.
The facts are that massive civil unrest coincides with the economic war. You have yet to provide an alternative explanation for why that should happen. There are of course underlying problems that are inherent in capitalism, and the contradictions have been building for many decades now. The pandemic and the economic war on top of it are acting as catalysts triggering the systemic collapse. If you think that the current system will survive mostly as it is and just going to need some light reforms then you’re deluded.