Moderator is clearly absent and it is being spammed by a certain user with right-wing tabloid articles.
While I agree that it should absolutely be moderated (NRSK have had to temporary ban some of the regular debaters in lemmy.ml’s Europe at times), I don’t think allowing a political view you disagree with should be grounds for confiscating a community. 🤷
Yes, agreed. The problem is not that I disagree with some of those articles, but the constant flood of one sided articles pushing a certain manipulative agenda and the endless arguments when someone points out that fact.
I am also annoyed by the double standard that apparently that is ok in /c/europe but on a China community the exact same thing would get you banned immediately.
Do you want to take over instead?
You’re literally mad about me posting on the current events in Europe. The economic crisis is translating into civil unrest across Europe, and it’s fuelling the rise of the right because the left is apparently not interested in engaging with these issues. You’re more than welcome to post stuff on /c/china and discuss things like an adult.
I think we both are dismayed that a whole community is practically being dominated by a single poster. But I don’t think the answer is to escalate directly, but rather balance the ratio of i.e. left/right by posting the stuff I think is lacking.
Saying that people can come to /c/china and discuss things like an adult is unrealistic, you know there is extreme bias for certain political ideologies at certain places at Lemmy.ml. People get banned for naming a certain server that allows for different topics and ideologies than on lemmy.ml, so this is a place that seems to want to crush ideological opponents, leave them alone and isolated. Are you literally fishing for a ban for someone you disagree with?
If you look at the history, I post maybe a couple of articles a day on /c/europe. Most of them also tend to come from mainstream sources. Seems like it’s more of an issue that I am the sole person posting more than anything. Do you really think that this qualifies as spamming the community and grounds for a ban?
Seems like it’s more of an issue that I am the sole person posting more than anything.
Yes, I consider this an issue when it comes to understanding a topic. Being only presented one side of the situation only allows for one-sided conclutions.
Do you really think that this qualifies as spamming the community
No, as I wrote in the comment you replied to:
rather balance the ratio of i.e. left/right by posting the stuff I think is lacking.
Did you read it?
grounds for a ban?
No, and I don’t think I’ve ever claimed that either. Since water is wet, do you think I should be banned?
I don’t think we’re disagreeing on anything here. It does seem like more people posting here would be the solution, and I’d be glad to see different perspectives from people actually leaving in Europe. FWIW I think this article that PoVoq replied to me provides excellent context for the protests in Netherlands. That could’ve been a great post to make, and the only reason I saw the article was cause I posted a different worse article covering the protests.
Oh let me start posting a bunch of Radio Free Asia articles on /c/china then /s
Different community can have different rules and guidelines. That’s the whole reason for everybody being able to create a sub/community. So that everyone who thinks that other rules would be more worthwhile can do so.
Sure, hence me requesting /c/europe as it is currently unmoderated and no rules are in place / enforced.
What kind of rules would you enforce?
Similar ones to other such country/region communities. The idea in another comment here to require submitters to actually write a bit about the link they submit is good as it reduces the low effort drive-by spam and hopefully makes them actually read the article (but sadly that doesn’t help much when people have extreme cognitive bias).
knock yourself out
I can’t because it is against the specifically stated rules of that community. See the double-standard at play here?
I didn’t make the community, so don’t blame me here. Once again though, I’m very happy to discuss the context around the events the articles report. The article you posted in another thread was a good example, and I wonder why you didn’t post it on /c/europe yourself. That article provides a good overview and overarching context for the farmer protests, and as I’ve pointed out I agree with it entirely.
What I am seeing is that there is an energy crisis in Europe, it is very clearly having a severe impact on the economy, and it is affecting large numbers of people. This is translating into civil unrest in European countries. The narrative of the right is clearly appealing to people and right wing is doing mass recruitment.
You’ve dismissed the problem as being fictitious in every conversation we’ve had on the subject. Yet, if that was indeed the case then you wouldn’t be seeing far right mobs growing by the day.
OP is exemplifying the bias they mentioned in an earlier post, you ask them to come to place that’s hostile to OP’s views and then say “Don’t blame me” when people don’t dare take you up on it for fear of retaliation? I think that’s awful.
This is pathetic. There’s barely anyone ON Lemmy, of course someone actually using the website is going to stand out. You’re just dissatisfied with the results of your removed.
This is specifically about the /c/Europe community and not Lemmy, and yes quality over quantity.
Yes, agreed. The problem is not that I disagree with some of those articles, but the constant flood of one sided articles pushing a certain manipulative agenda
Fair enough, the way you wrote your post made it sound like half the reason you requested the sub was exactly to be able to push a certain agenda. My bad.
and the endless arguments when someone points out that fact.
I defend people’s rights to have endless arguments on the internet, but I also defend people’s right to block folks. 😂
I am also annoyed by the double standard that apparently that is ok in /c/europe but on China community the exact same thing would get you banned immediately.
That’s understandable. Double standards from people claiming moral superiority is… less than flattering.
Do you want to take over instead?
No thanks, I have my own.
I encountered a similar situation modding /r/moderatepolitics. A user was flooding the subreddit with posts from right wing websites. They had the explicitly stated aim of tilting the predominant atmosphere on the sub towards being right wing. We eventually found the perfect rule: require everyone who made a post to provide a substantive starter comment, one that didn’t just summarize the article but instead was enough to start a discussion. This not only helped get conversations going, but also raised the bar to posting just enough to discourage article dumps.
That said, I think overall low traffic in /c/europe is the core problem. No rules short of outright censorship can help that.
This is my opinion, not a final decision by the admin team:
It’s pretty clear that this request is politically motivated and this user does not intend to moderate the community in good faith. Therefore, my vote is to deny this request.
You don’t have to dance around the topic, and doing so absolutely do not help your case: the “spammer” being referred to here is clearly @yogthos@lemmy.ml, and I very much do not agree with your assessment of his activity on !europe@lemmy.ml. I do not think his activities constitute spamming, right-wing, or any violation of the rules.
It might not be openly right-wing, but it is pushing the exact same agenda as right-wing European parties (AfD, Front National, PVV etc.) do. I think it is mostly done due to being terribly uninformed and trying to stan current Russian interest, but the fact remains that he is using right-wing media sources to push his agenda.
I don’t really mind someone else taking over moderation of the community as I am mainly concerned about the total moderation vacuum on that community, but to be honest if the community continues to be a home to spreading blatantly false miss-information I will not be interested in contributing any further.
The fact that right-wing parties captured the narrative is precisely the problem here. And I’ve explained this repeatedly to you in many different ways. Furthermore, vast majority of sources I post are mainstream western media. The only time I reach for non-mainstream sources is when the mainstream chooses not to cover significant events. Please stop smearing me here and attributing to me some right wing agenda. I have stated my position very clearly and you intentionally misrepresent it.
At best you are being a useful fool by pushing the same agenda as populist right-wing parties. Left wing European parties have tried and failed to capture the same demographic for years and it isn’t working (and it is IMHO counter productive).
And you are very selectively choosing right-wing western mainstream media as those are the only ones pushing the same right-wing populist agenda.
I’ll say it once again, since you can’t seem to get this through your head. Unless the left is able to engage people on their material conditions then the right will. What demographic exactly has your approach claimed. If what you were advocating was effective we wouldn’t be seeing the rise of the right wing movements all across Europe. And I’m linking to media that actually talks about the economic and energy situation in Europe. You just want to pretend this problem doesn’t exist.
There is an economic problem due to various factors, but over-simplifying it on lack of cheap energy is only playing into the hands of populist right-wing demagogues and is also preventing the urgently needed transition to renewable energy sources.
And just to repeat: what you are advocating has been tried by left parties in Europe for years and it isn’t effective either.
I’m not over simplifying anything. I’ve repeatedly said that other factors matter, but it’s obvious that energy prices jumping by a huge amount is a major factor. Claiming this only only plays into the hands of right-wing populists is nonsense, especially so in the context of having discussions on Lemmy of all places.
Transition from fossil fuels to nuclear and renewables is absolutely necessary, but that’s going to take years to do. People are suffering today, and there needs to be an answer for these people. Blocking the discussion on the subject is counterproductive. Instead of pretending that the problem isn’t real, which makes the left look like clowns, people need to acknowledge the problem and provide left wing solutions to counter the ones the right promotes. It’s frankly shocking that you’re unable to comprehend this.
Trust me, we had the same discussion for a long time already in Europe. Its not as easy as you think it is, and the rise of the populist right is largely because the center-left parties thought they could do what you propose.
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