I never once said there aren’t economic problems. But they are predominantly caused by effects of the global pandemic and various dysfunctionalities of the late stage capitalism we find ourself in. Obscuring this fact by harping on about the relatively minor effect of the stop of gas exports from Russia and the economic sanctions is just playing into the hands of neo-liberals and right-wing demagogues as I tried to explain to you multiple times now.
There are certainly many challenges ahead of us to transition to a more sustainable economy, but claiming that there is no alternative to fossil fuels in the short term as you have repeatately done (while harping on about the “successful” transition in China the same time) is again just playing into the hands of neo-liberals and right-wing demagogues. But apparently that is too difficult to understand for you.
Oh so this is /r/LateStageCapitalism not the imperial system collapsing bro? Good thing you never looked up what LSC means - nothing! It’s a hook. A dumbfuck slogan.
I never once said there aren’t economic problems. But they are predominantly caused by effects of the global pandemic and various dysfunctionalities of the late stage capitalism we find ourself in.
You just keep stating this as a fact. What exactly is the basis on which you’ve convinced yourself of this. It’s pretty clear that the economic situation in Europe has significantly degraded by pretty much every metric since the start of the war. Why aren’t we seeing similar problems in North America if the pandemic is the root cause?
There are certainly many challenges ahead of us to transition to a more sustainable economy, but claiming that there is no alternative to fossil fuels in the short term as you have repeatately done (while harping on about the “successful” transition in China the same time) is again just playing into the hands of neo-liberals and right-wing demagogues. But apparently that is too difficult to understand for you.
You continue to dodge the question of what happens to all the people whose lives are being ruined right now under the existing capitalist system. China is doing precisely what I would consider rational. China made an actual concrete plan for how it will transition and how fossil fuels will be phased out. Europe has no such plan that I’m aware of. It’s just demagogues telling people that it’s all going to magically work out.
Why do you think the US has just launched one of the biggest rescue plans ever for their economy via the “Inflation Reduction Act” that is all over the news? The issues are real and global. China is also seeing extreme economic difficulties ahead by all measures even their own manipulated data. Europe is not uniquely effected, it is just that the local neo-liberal elites see it in their interest to blame the issues on the war in Ukraine, or rather what is (rightly) widely perceived as the cause of that, i.e. the Russians.
Indeed the Chinese have a better plan for the transition to renewable energy (despite still being deeply dependant on fossil fuel, more so then Europe)… but the main reason why Europe doesn’t have a good plan is precisely because they got all that cheap gas from Russia. Germany even reduced their renewable energy production and replace it with natural gas plants in recent years. But you are again just trying to change the topic…
Why do you think the US has just launched one of the biggest rescue plans ever for their economy via the “Inflation Reduction Act” that is all over the news? The issues are real and global.
US has economic problems, but it’s not even remotely comparable to what Europe is currently experiencing. Meanwhile, US companies are charging Europe for LNG something like six times what they charge domestically. This is compounding the problem for Europe by enticing business to go to US.
China is also seeing extreme economic difficulties ahead by all measures even their own manipulated data.
Ah yes, China’s ManIpUlAtInG DaTa. 🤣 Also, not sure what these extreme difficulties you’re referring to are. You’ll have to be more specific about that.
Europe is not uniquely effected, it is just that the local neo-liberal elites see it in their interest to blame the issues on the war in Ukraine, or rather what is (rightly) widely perceived as the cause of that, i.e. the Russians.
Except that it is uniquely affected, and it will become more and more obvious in the coming months. The cause of that is European decision to cut itself off from Russia economically.
Indeed the Chinese have a better plan for the transition to renewable energy (despite still being deeply dependant on fossil fuel, more so then Europe)… but the main reason why Europe doesn’t have a good plan is precisely because they got all that cheap gas from Russia. Germany even reduced their renewable energy production and replace it with natural gas plants in recent years. But you are again just trying to change the topic…
Weird argument given that China gets the same cheap energy from Russia that Europe does. You’re once again making a nonsensical argument that lacks any consistency.
Meanwhile, renewable energy simply can’t provide replacement for fossil fuels. The only way to do it is to use nuclear energy as a backbone and supplement it with renewables. Germany has been shutting down nuclear energy because it’s run by ideologues who have no understanding of what they’re doing.
Please back that up with real sources, because you are extremely misinformed as I have already proven to you multiple times based on data you shared yourself.
And in a similar vein, you recently shared data about the energy sources China is using and they clearly showed that China is getting hardly any energy from Russia right now or in the past. Its mostly coal mined in China, plus an increasing percentage of nuclear and renewables.
I honestly don’t know any more what else to say… data from sources you shared yourself clearly proof you wrong and yet you continue to claim the same falsehoods. I think you need to sleep over this as you are not being rational any more.
Good news is that we’ll see who’s right soon enough. When spring rolls around then we’ll definitively see who was rational here and who’s been blowing smoke.
And if you can’t see the difference between the situation last spring and today then I don’t know what to tell you. You seem to be living in a bubble where you’re insulated from the problems other people are experiencing and you lack basic human empathy to put yourself in their shoes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I never once said there aren’t economic problems. But they are predominantly caused by effects of the global pandemic and various dysfunctionalities of the late stage capitalism we find ourself in. Obscuring this fact by harping on about the relatively minor effect of the stop of gas exports from Russia and the economic sanctions is just playing into the hands of neo-liberals and right-wing demagogues as I tried to explain to you multiple times now.
There are certainly many challenges ahead of us to transition to a more sustainable economy, but claiming that there is no alternative to fossil fuels in the short term as you have repeatately done (while harping on about the “successful” transition in China the same time) is again just playing into the hands of neo-liberals and right-wing demagogues. But apparently that is too difficult to understand for you.
Oh so this is /r/LateStageCapitalism not the imperial system collapsing bro? Good thing you never looked up what LSC means - nothing! It’s a hook. A dumbfuck slogan.
Or you know… there are terms pre-dating the Reddit circle jerk and have been used by Marxists for more than 100 years.
Like are you gonna start quoting Mark Fisher at me or something. Am I gonna hear about the professional managerial class.
I don’t mean it was invented BY reddit. You should read that article!
You just keep stating this as a fact. What exactly is the basis on which you’ve convinced yourself of this. It’s pretty clear that the economic situation in Europe has significantly degraded by pretty much every metric since the start of the war. Why aren’t we seeing similar problems in North America if the pandemic is the root cause?
You continue to dodge the question of what happens to all the people whose lives are being ruined right now under the existing capitalist system. China is doing precisely what I would consider rational. China made an actual concrete plan for how it will transition and how fossil fuels will be phased out. Europe has no such plan that I’m aware of. It’s just demagogues telling people that it’s all going to magically work out.
Why do you think the US has just launched one of the biggest rescue plans ever for their economy via the “Inflation Reduction Act” that is all over the news? The issues are real and global. China is also seeing extreme economic difficulties ahead by all measures even their own manipulated data. Europe is not uniquely effected, it is just that the local neo-liberal elites see it in their interest to blame the issues on the war in Ukraine, or rather what is (rightly) widely perceived as the cause of that, i.e. the Russians.
Indeed the Chinese have a better plan for the transition to renewable energy (despite still being deeply dependant on fossil fuel, more so then Europe)… but the main reason why Europe doesn’t have a good plan is precisely because they got all that cheap gas from Russia. Germany even reduced their renewable energy production and replace it with natural gas plants in recent years. But you are again just trying to change the topic…
US has economic problems, but it’s not even remotely comparable to what Europe is currently experiencing. Meanwhile, US companies are charging Europe for LNG something like six times what they charge domestically. This is compounding the problem for Europe by enticing business to go to US.
Ah yes, China’s ManIpUlAtInG DaTa. 🤣 Also, not sure what these extreme difficulties you’re referring to are. You’ll have to be more specific about that.
Except that it is uniquely affected, and it will become more and more obvious in the coming months. The cause of that is European decision to cut itself off from Russia economically.
Weird argument given that China gets the same cheap energy from Russia that Europe does. You’re once again making a nonsensical argument that lacks any consistency.
Meanwhile, renewable energy simply can’t provide replacement for fossil fuels. The only way to do it is to use nuclear energy as a backbone and supplement it with renewables. Germany has been shutting down nuclear energy because it’s run by ideologues who have no understanding of what they’re doing.
Please back that up with real sources, because you are extremely misinformed as I have already proven to you multiple times based on data you shared yourself.
And in a similar vein, you recently shared data about the energy sources China is using and they clearly showed that China is getting hardly any energy from Russia right now or in the past. Its mostly coal mined in China, plus an increasing percentage of nuclear and renewables.
I honestly don’t know any more what else to say… data from sources you shared yourself clearly proof you wrong and yet you continue to claim the same falsehoods. I think you need to sleep over this as you are not being rational any more.
Good news is that we’ll see who’s right soon enough. When spring rolls around then we’ll definitively see who was rational here and who’s been blowing smoke.
You said the same thing last spring about the situation right now
¯\_(ツ)_/¯And if you can’t see the difference between the situation last spring and today then I don’t know what to tell you. You seem to be living in a bubble where you’re insulated from the problems other people are experiencing and you lack basic human empathy to put yourself in their shoes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯