• F_State
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    People who become police usually like hurting people and people who join ICE were the bottom of the barrel that even the police wouldn’t recruit

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    Imagine being a human being that breaks into a child’s home and abducts them

    …and that being your job

    …and you being okay with that

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      Hey, it gets them paid which gets them laid!

      I’m sure any doubts about their occupation get washed away when their wife sucks their dick.

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      Imagine being a human being that breaks into a child’s home and abducts them

      From the article:

      Another ABC7 interviewee ducked upon hearing flash bangs detonate, and was then distressed by the sight of children detained. “They was bringing the kids down too, had them zip-tied to each other,” she said. “That’s all I kept asking. What is the morality? Where’s the human? One of them literally laughed. He was standing right here. He said, ‘f*** them kids.’”

      [emphasis mine]

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      Our society is based off of jobs being a sign of good moral character. It’s a perversion of the idea that productive labor is a sign of good moral character. Something that comes from humans benefiting as a species from it. Someone that works hard for the tribe is held in high respect and honored. Someone that is lazy and does not work is shunned or abandoned.

      What people do is they take this idea of labor as fundamentally good and project it onto their wage job. Saying “just doing my job” to any moral conflict they might feel. It gives them permission in their minds to do what would normally be unjustifiable. “I’m just one person” to other conflicts that arise. Until they don’t even have to do that anymore. They reach a world view that aligns with and rationalizes this contradiction.

      There is a major difference between doing wage labor jobs, that fundamentally alienate the worker from the material benefits of their labor, and what we associate with morally positive labor; that connects you to those that benefit from your work. There is no human relationship or benefit available for wage labor. How “hard” they work is at most (but often times not even) reflected in their paycheck.

      In an example. The Amazon worker packages items. They have no relationship to the workers that made that item and have no connection to the people that will benefit from owning that item. Their relationship starts and ends with the wage they receive for packaging that item. Thinking about the conditions of the workers that made that item is not beneficial to them. Thinking about how the person buying that item is not beneficial to them. They are completely alienated from the relationships of production that form our economy.

      The Amazon worker doesn’t have the power and use of the state violence behind them, but the fundamental alienation still exists.

      For the Police and ICE agents this alienation forms their relationship with those subject to state violence as objectives to be overcome to “doing their job”. Their job is easier and less taxing if they dissociate their victims, or even see them as “lesser” or not human.

      These ICE agents have connected to the ideas of Fascism that allow them to “do their job” and not even consider what they are doing to children. They have normalized it so much that they even seek out this form of wage job and prefer it.

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    Another ABC7 interviewee ducked upon hearing flash bangs detonate, and was then distressed by the sight of children detained. “They was bringing the kids down too, had them zip-tied to each other,” she said. “That’s all I kept asking. What is the morality? Where’s the human? One of them literally laughed. He was standing right here. He said, ‘f*** them kids.’”

    A witness of the same name told the Chicago Sun-Times it was “heartbreaking” to see “kids coming out buck naked and taken from their mothers.”

    If this witness is telling the truth (and I have no reason to doubt them based on videos of how ICE employees have terrorized people), then this is some incredibly fucked-up shit. These agents are getting bolder and bolder in their contempt for people with each passing day.

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      Sooner or later that contempt will come back around. Some of them will not enjoy that day.

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    So let me get this straight: they came for unnamed people they consider so dangerous thar they require helicopter drops and urban warfare tactics, and the way to keep the non-criminals safe was to drag them into the chaos? If one of the targets or a reasonably defensive citizen pulled a gun and started shooting the armed intruders, what were they expecting to happen to a group of kids zip tied to each other?

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    “Won’t someone think of the children!” The Republican screams while zip tying children.

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      They are thinking about having an island vacation while doing so. Those children will also be the star attraction.

      …no /s. I am expecting the Trump Regime to use child slaves at Mar-a-Lago and other venues, and post-war documentaries will have many adults describing their abuse. They are the ones that lived.

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    Man, sure glad we didn’t get Kamala Harris though. /s

    So fucking sick to death of the shitpigs who put their own moral certitude before stopping the fucking Nazis.

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      She could have won if she was willing to disavow Israel, meaningfully oppose genocide, and believably support policies to mitigate our absurd wealth disparity, but she didn’t because the only thing she gives a shit about is getting paid just like the rest of the corporate dems

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      Biden, Harris, Clinton, and their simps are all why we’re in this mess in the first place.

      They didn’t want to pay more in taxes, so they’d rather have a fascist in office than a progressive.

      They’re the reason why democrats don’t have a leg to stand on when republicans say democrats don’t care about workers and only want to fight a culture war.

      The people at the top know a culture war is more profitable than a class war, so all the dumbasses and pawns underneath follow suit.

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      People tried stopping Israeli Nazis, but you don’t care about brown people as much as your own country.

      But hey if you’re so sick of people not stoping the Nazis, why aren’t you out there with a gun defending people from them?

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          No champ.

          By trying to get the only person who may have come around to do so. Instead she decided to take billions in lobbying for AIPAC and support genocide.

          But please misdirect your outrage and blame everyone but Kamala and the DNC.

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      They control the courts.

      At some point, we’re going to have to realize that America is dead and the best solution is to start over without all the baggage.

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        Hitler had full control too…until he didn’t.

        The Trump regime’s days are numbered.

        And every one of his henchmen and goons will hopefully face the justice they deserve.

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    May these people be plagued by crippling guilt by day and nightmares of their own worthlessness by night. Disgusting cretins.

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    What the fuck happened with the water? This place didn’t seem great, but there were some apartments with nicer floors that clearly weren’t flooded before the raid and were flooded after the raid.

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      Too warm for ice that day, so they became the wet bandits

      leaving running water on, going after kids, and all…

      Then again the crooks in home alone were probably much smarter…

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      Some are saying the landowner wanted a excuse to sell the property, sans tenants and obligations. They might have collaborated with ICE.

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    Something I’ve been pondering over this.

    Does anyone have a timeline of any of the abductions?

    The people we have seen so far are obviously poor, obviously don’t have smart phones, obviously don’t have ways to instantly communicate with everyone in their community.

    There should be a time when someone noticed shit was going down.

    I want 1. When the feds arrived. 2. When the feds took the first victim. 3. When the feds felt they were “done”.

    They sent a huge military like convoy in California to arrest one dude identifying ICE officers.

    Who are they trying to fool? Who are they trying to scare? Who are they trying to provoke?

    This all screams “look at what evil thing I’m doing, aren’t you going to hit me bro? Aren’t you gonna stand up to me bro? No you ain’t shit, you ain’t nothing” while they are only arresting people who have no means of remotely doing anything to defend themselves and they do it too fast for anyone to intervene.

    They’re trying to be school yard bullies. In schools in the US if you fight back against a bully you get punished the same. So my dad always recommended make them punish themselves.

    And I would be willing to bet everything in today’s mass kidnapping followed a plan and went according to plan. But if something in that plan is unaccounted for, then I bet they don’t know what the fuck to do.