Hamas is an extremist group, they are only considered a reasonable thing to support because Palestinians do not have human rights and are confined to ghettos. One party in this situation is actively genociding the other, and quite understandably Palestinians are more inclined to listen to extremists than the Israeli state genociding them. Israel has actively sabotaged every single attempt at negotiations since the mid 90s. Netanyahu can be thanked for that. Him and the racists who support him.
Hamas is nothing if Palestinians had rights. Palestinians are just people, they are not an army they are not a militia. They deserve human rights. Israel could do that today. They deserve their homes back. Israel could do that today. Hamas has nothing to do with it. There’s never an excuse to deprive a race of people their rights and freedoms. Genocide is never acceptable. Apartheid is never acceptable.
The Palestinians in Gaza, at this point, can’t choose to vote Hamas out of office if they wanted to. Hamas won with a plurality (not a majority) in 2006 and has cancelled all future elections. They’ve used aid meant to support the Palestinian people to make rockets to attack Israel. There’s no trust in the Israeli side that Hamas would stick to their word. Netenyahu needs to go, but so does Hamas.
Hamas cannot change the apartheid state. They have tried repeatedly since the mid 90s and every time America and Israel have sabotaged negotiations and refused to give Palestinians equal rights.
Hamas was elected once and there have been no elections since. They also have no actual political power in Israel so it doesn’t really make a difference who is elected. Netanyahu wants to commit genocide, he has no interest in changing anything.
I never said Israeli citizens were the Israeli state. The Israeli state is in fact a state. That state has legal power over all Palestinians. That state is denying Palestinians human rights. That state is orchestrating an attempt at genocide.
Do you not understand how genocide works? They literally cut off all food water and electricity to the entire gaza ghetto like 3 days ago. They are about to launch the largest land invasion in the history of the state of Israel. They called Palestinians “human animals” on international TV. Theyve murdered men women and children indiscriminately in both gaza and the west bank. They’ve been emboldening racist Israeli citizens to launch attacks of their own on Palestinian citizens in the west bank.
If Al qaeda was based in Canada and they attacked the U.S. should the U.S. continue providing water and electricity to them? What other country bites the hand that feeds and then expects the status quo to remain. Think about that for a minute.
Why didn’t Hamas, instead of building rockets, build a new power plant and water treatment facilities with the millions of not billions of aid that the international community has given in aid to Gaza?
Your points would be a lot more reasonable if you acknowledged that Hamas is not a reasonable choice for resistance. It’s entrenched in a long history of desire to exterminate all Jews since long before the Ottoman empire collapsed.
Hamas has a 53% approval rating today (at least prior to their attack). They do not want just their freedom they want to exterminate all Jews for that freedom. In their view they are not free until they do.
In much the same way that white nationalism creates a persistent undercurrent of systemic racism in many more free-ish countries that would rather not acknowledge it so too do these backward beliefs here.
This outlook informs their actions that never have and never will do any good for the Palestinian people.
In a few generations the cultures in this region have had to adapt from a situation where Jews are the oppressed minority to a Jewish-majority state with the power to oppress.
None of this is to excuse the actions of Israel and the religious conservatism that perpetuates this same violence and genocide on the Israeli side. However none of this is easily massageable into the western concept of oppressor and oppressed.
Hamas is an extremist group, they are only considered a reasonable thing to support because Palestinians do not have human rights and are confined to ghettos. One party in this situation is actively genociding the other, and quite understandably Palestinians are more inclined to listen to extremists than the Israeli state genociding them. Israel has actively sabotaged every single attempt at negotiations since the mid 90s. Netanyahu can be thanked for that. Him and the racists who support him.
Hamas is nothing if Palestinians had rights. Palestinians are just people, they are not an army they are not a militia. They deserve human rights. Israel could do that today. They deserve their homes back. Israel could do that today. Hamas has nothing to do with it. There’s never an excuse to deprive a race of people their rights and freedoms. Genocide is never acceptable. Apartheid is never acceptable.
The Palestinians in Gaza, at this point, can’t choose to vote Hamas out of office if they wanted to. Hamas won with a plurality (not a majority) in 2006 and has cancelled all future elections. They’ve used aid meant to support the Palestinian people to make rockets to attack Israel. There’s no trust in the Israeli side that Hamas would stick to their word. Netenyahu needs to go, but so does Hamas.
Well said. I can’t believe I found another person on here with a reasonable take.
Who elected Hamas? It’s interesting you say Palestinians have no other choice. Who governs the Palestinians in the West Bank?
Hamas cannot change the apartheid state. They have tried repeatedly since the mid 90s and every time America and Israel have sabotaged negotiations and refused to give Palestinians equal rights.
Hamas was elected once and there have been no elections since. They also have no actual political power in Israel so it doesn’t really make a difference who is elected. Netanyahu wants to commit genocide, he has no interest in changing anything.
Just so I understand your argument - Palestinians are not Hamas but Israel IS Likud.
How many Palestinians have been protesting globally against Hamas? How many hundreds of thousands of Israelis have been protesting against Likud?
I never said Israeli citizens were the Israeli state. The Israeli state is in fact a state. That state has legal power over all Palestinians. That state is denying Palestinians human rights. That state is orchestrating an attempt at genocide.
If Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians why is the population of Palestinians growing exponentially?
Do you not understand how genocide works? They literally cut off all food water and electricity to the entire gaza ghetto like 3 days ago. They are about to launch the largest land invasion in the history of the state of Israel. They called Palestinians “human animals” on international TV. Theyve murdered men women and children indiscriminately in both gaza and the west bank. They’ve been emboldening racist Israeli citizens to launch attacks of their own on Palestinian citizens in the west bank.
If Al qaeda was based in Canada and they attacked the U.S. should the U.S. continue providing water and electricity to them? What other country bites the hand that feeds and then expects the status quo to remain. Think about that for a minute.
Why didn’t Hamas, instead of building rockets, build a new power plant and water treatment facilities with the millions of not billions of aid that the international community has given in aid to Gaza?
Despite all that guess what - https://www.axios.com/2023/10/15/israel-resumes-water-supply-to-southern-gaza-after-us-pressure
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Your points would be a lot more reasonable if you acknowledged that Hamas is not a reasonable choice for resistance. It’s entrenched in a long history of desire to exterminate all Jews since long before the Ottoman empire collapsed.
Hamas has a 53% approval rating today (at least prior to their attack). They do not want just their freedom they want to exterminate all Jews for that freedom. In their view they are not free until they do.
In much the same way that white nationalism creates a persistent undercurrent of systemic racism in many more free-ish countries that would rather not acknowledge it so too do these backward beliefs here.
This outlook informs their actions that never have and never will do any good for the Palestinian people.
In a few generations the cultures in this region have had to adapt from a situation where Jews are the oppressed minority to a Jewish-majority state with the power to oppress.
None of this is to excuse the actions of Israel and the religious conservatism that perpetuates this same violence and genocide on the Israeli side. However none of this is easily massageable into the western concept of oppressor and oppressed.