Like the title states looking for E2EE apps (Android and iOS) without going into much details or needs to be robust enough and easy to use for anyone and stable for operations that are susceptible to constant electronic warfare. I did some research and thought about replacing Signal with Molly and wondering if it will still work if Signal leaves the EU, but am also worried about its updates to patch vulnerabilities in a timely manner. I appreciate the help I am a “Jack of all trades and master of none” when it comes to these types of programs, but am also the go to currently in my unit since I am somewhat knowledgeable about exploits and attacks that can compromise systems would be great if there was an desktop as well (like Signal) and would also be nice if it was FOSS and auditable ( I know that’s kind of redundant ) I know it’s a tall order to ask but figured I would try. I really appreciate the help so much and hope I did things by the rules here and don’t get flamed if this has already been covered ( I searched but my skills with searching the fediverse is low

  • Daydream8714@lemmy.today
    341·
    1 year ago

    How about Session or SimpleX?

    Both are E2EE. Unlike Signal, they also have the benefit of not requiring a phone number, so your account isn’t linked to you that way. In my experience, Session feels more mature, having apps on more platforms and more reliable notifications. However SimpleX has some really nice features, like the ability to have multiple profiles (including hidden profiles).

      • Squeak@lemmy.world
        193·
        1 year ago

        What an awful name though. Why would you name a messaging app after herpes?

        • deepdive@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 year ago

          I’m sure you pronounce also those words wrong:

          • F.B.I and not fbi
          • L.E.D and not led
          • SpaceX and not spacex
          • SimpleX and not simplex

          Hope this helps 🙏

        • Joe Bidet@lemmy.ml
          33·
          1 year ago

          What an uneducated red herring! Simplex is not named “Herpes”… in “Herpes simplex”, “Simplex” is an adjective…

          “Dude! why would you name a messaging app after a latin adjective dude!”…

          Now can we resume talking about messaging protocols, and why Simplex is one of the most promising, way much better than Signal when it comes to privacy, as it enables communications without disclosing identity?

          • Squeak@lemmy.world
            52·
            1 year ago

            The word simplex is not common in normal everyday English, unless you happen to be talking about the Herpes Simplex Virus.

            The association between Simplex and Herpes is not a hard one to make, as noted by all the other comments.

            I’d rather not discuss Simplex vs Signal with someone who tries to give off ‘big brain’ energy instead of realising the social norms of holding conversations.

            Not everything is literal my dude.

            • Joe Bidet@lemmy.ml
              2·
              1 year ago

              Fine. Then Signal for the English-native-speaking dudes who think herpes is funny bro, lol…

              Simplex for the rest of us, who truly value our privacy, aonymity, and not having to trust Amazon for the safety of our meta-data, lol dude

            • shortwavesurfer@monero.townEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              Simplex is also used in communication channels as a single client to be able to speak at once as in amateur radio. A lot of internet links are duplex, where multiple machines can speak at once, such as Ethernet.

      • TheProtagonist@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 year ago

        Although I doubt that Signal would leave the EU (or that this dangerous regulation would even become something that could ever be applied in practice), SimpleX looks very promising as a possible alternative.

        However, it would also mean that you have to convince all your contacts to make the move, too - which was already difficult when I told them to install Signal additionally to WhatsApp, which is virtually on almost every device.

        • FarLine99@lemm.eeEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          it won’t be easy, yes. but I think that with Signal everything will be ok 🙂

      • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
        1·
        1 year ago

        Session was forked from Signal and given more privacy; it may feel more natural. In addition, features Signal has (over SimpleX):

        • multi-device synchronization. You can use your (same) account on multiple devices, and have conversations synced. While SimpleX states they’d like to implement this, it isn’t even on the roadmap yet. For us, this was the most important requirement that decided in favor of Session.
        • desktop support. While I love SimpleX’s CLI client (and lament that Session doesn’t have one), it was more important for our group to have a GUI desktop application. If everyone in your group is comfortable with entirely command-based interactions (think “ftp”), or if you’ll only ever use mobile devices, this may not be an issue for you. For us, with non-technical people in the chat, a GUI client on the desktop was another requirement that factored heavily in favor of Session.
        • gifs! Ok, not a critical feature, but on the desktop, Session has some nice quality-of-life features, such as a searchable animate gif tool, and searchable emoticon selection.

        The single biggest missing feature of Session is that there’s no editing of sent messages. There is redaction, for self and for group (I’ve never understood the value of a “delete-only-for-me” feature), but no editing. This would seem to be a glaring omission of a basic, common feature - and it is. Not as glaring as lack of multi-device synchronization, though.

        I look forward to the development of SimpleX, but it’s not quite there yet.

    • ccx@sopuli.xyz
      1·
      1 year ago

      I’m not convinced by Session’s decision to remove forward secrecy. I don’t care if it’s malice or incompetence, they shouldn’t be in business of encrypted messaging either way.

      And their lack of transparency on their share of underlying network and the associated costs for new entrants doesn’t make them smell like a cryptoscam any less.

      My personal advice is avoid. You’ll be far better off with simplex, or xmpp+omemo for something not paired with phone number.