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    We have to stop identifying ownership with these billionaires and “their work” because it’s not. It’s a team of people who got together to accomplish a mission whether they succeeded or failed. How often is their success just a leader getting out of their way, and how often is failure because leadership was overbearing and “used their authority” to make poor decisions over the group.

    “We” society only ever focus on these individuals and it’s horribly incorrect to do so.

    We need to forget the celebrities and identity the groups.

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      Absolutely. As someone who manages a small team, my duties are advocating for the people who work for me, listening to the people closest to the problem, mediating disputes between people with different solutions, and ensuring we are all working towards the same overall goals. Most of the success of the team is directly attributed to their work. My biggest contribution is making sure they have what they need to do their job.

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        So, since you’re support staff and economically a cost center and not a producer, they make more than you, right? You advocate for their wages first, right?

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          I mean, despite the down votes I thought this was pretty based, even if it came across as a personal attack.

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              Could’ve removed the entire appositive of your first sentence,and removed “right?” to sound like less of an ass with your wording :) valid question though. my employer does operate this way

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          Not everyone in my position is a sniveling little shit, as much as you may think. I do get paid more than my team, but not by some ridiculous margin. The lowest paid person gets 70% what I do and the highest paid person is at 95%. When I took over it was no shit closer to 40% for the lowest paid member. I fought for that to be fixed and burned up a lot if political capital doing it too.

          When COVID came along and pay cuts and layoffs were a real threat, I told my boss to cut my salary before anyone else’s. We never had to, thankfully, but I literally told him I would quit if they cut one of my subordinates pay or laid them off without first taking out of my pocket.

          I had a direct report who, for three years wanted to be in a leadership role. I fought for a new position for him and put my own ass on the line recommending him for promotion every chance I got. He’s been promoted past me and I hope (since I can’t see his salary anymore) he is getting paid more than me because he’s earned it.

          I’m not some superstar manager, but I do feel like I keep my team out of the political battles and turf wars so they can focus on doing what they do best without dealing with all that crap. That’s my job. When something goes wrong, I’m accountable. So when the people doing the work get it wrong and take a critical system offline by fat fingering a command, I’m the one answering the phones and taking all the shit for it and smoothing things over with stake holders. And unless it was a result of gross negligence, I’m not going to give them hell for it either because I’ve fucking been there before.

          I didn’t even want this damn job. I was perfectly happy being the technical lead and not having job recruiting and performance reviews to do, but I took it because I knew at the very least I would do my best to advocate for the people I care about, and that’s not something I could say about everyone who applied.

          So you can make snap judgements and assume because I manage a team that I’m just collecting a paycheck while everyone else does all the hard work, but I don’t and I won’t because it’s unethical and shitty and despite your own insecurities, I actually give a fuck about other people.

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              Considering how important it is to me that I’m not some piece of shit manager, yeah, it was a little personal. I take that kind of thing seriously. It kinda doesn’t work as a meme reference without the meme.

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                This is a shit posting community. Meme references should be assumed.
                And I’m not your employee. Neither time nor place for your insecurities. Some conflict resolution skills ya got there.

                Immediately talking about yourself, claiming authority, offended at the least thing, telling people what to think instead of showing those traits, serious in an unserious setting, and more. Your response to what started with a simple meme reference has me seeing more in common with the worst managers I’ve worked with in your actual behavior.

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      Hey, if these guys do everything they can to make sure their companies’ “achievements” are considered all their own doing; let’s be fair and attribute all the fault of their failures as well.

      But you’re right, billionaires ride on the shoulders of the people that do the actual hard work.

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      Anytime management gets involved with our work, it’s because there was a monumental fuck-up or because somebody is doing too much micro-management. In either case, it’s thrice as stressful as a normal project that goes slow as shit because everything has to be run by the big person.

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    Man he even looks like he’s starting his metamorphosis into trump.

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        He spent a bunch of dough on that hair. I believe he is likely aware of his appearance. He is pale and overweight because he spends a bunch of time playing video games, being a nazi in his failing social media site, and (based on this picture) eating french fries.

        Maybe at some point his vanity will compel him to get liposuction or just go full orange man with spray tan and wear baggy suits with ties that are too long. I don’t see him being like Bezos or Zuck and getting into shape.

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        Becoming The Sad Blob: the Elon musk story

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        Meh, Musk has plenty of shitty qualities that deserve criticism, we don’t really need to pick on his appearance.

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      I hate the photoshopped photos of those “celebrities” in the news.

      I mean splash one of the Elon news on this photo mother fuckers!

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    He’s a successful scammer, for sure, but at the end of the day still a scammer who got fired for incompetence and then got lucky.

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        A scammer who used his money he made through scamming to become CEO, and then to scam even more:

        • Scams his employees by paying too little or not at all

        • Scams his money lenders by breaking their investment

        • Scams his customers by asking premium prices for underperforming products

        • Scams governments out of funding

        • Scams new tech startups by suing them in order to be called a founder

        • Scams every person in every country his companies operate in by not paying the taxes he is owed

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          I wasn’t talking about Twitter.

          SpaceX launched 60% of three global space launch market, I would say that’s pretty damn important. Also, Starlink.

          In any case, it’s obviously the people who work at these companies that are doing the work, not Mr muskrat.

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        Are you going to tell us next that cigarette companies didn’t scam the public when they knew that their products caused cancer and didn’t reveal it because Phillip-Morris was so valuable?

        How about Theranos? At peak it was worth $9 billion. Not a scam, right?

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    Poor Elon trying to tech-bro his way into social dominance by buying a social media platform.

    And to think that only ~6 years ago people saw him as a progressive visionary.

    There is the lesson people. Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt.

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      I think that lesson definitely applies to us average folks. But the bigger lesson here is to not trust billionaires. You would have to be a special kind of asshole to reach the status of a billionaire

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    He’s got the money where he can be lazy and still fix his health. Hire a personal chef and dietician. A personal trainer and a gym. Take a minute and get a stylist.

    You’re a billionaire for goodness sake. Buy a top hat!

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          we got a glimpse of that before he got his hair transplant.

          Not shitting on anyone that gets transplants, or decides to embrace their baldness; just shitting specifically on Elon, because fuck his anti-worker, anti-consumer ass.

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      This must be after all that stuff. Without the billions, he’d look like the stereotypical basement neckbeard.

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      You seriously think he has it in him to work hard on himself (or anything for that matter)??

      No shot, instead he would use that money for shit like ozempic, lap band or lipo surgery, etc.

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      That’s not actually a country song, but I think maybe someone should blow Elon’s nose and then blow his mind. A massive brain aneurism would only benefit the world.

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    His truck’s a piece of shit too, that’s big important here