I really like comparison tables on wikipedia but find them hard to navigate.

For example: Comparison of web browsers > General Information

Say I want a web browser for Linux which has been recently updated. I can sort by the “Platform” column, or by “Latest release: Date” but not both.

Sometimes tables can be very wide and/or very tall. Once you get to scrolling it is impossible to see either the row or column headings. So then you can’t tell where you even are in the table. Example: Table of AMD processors Also they can have complex structures with merged headings and content.

Ideally I would like to apply some basic spreadsheet-type operations like hiding rows/columns, filtering, sorting by multiple columns etc. Even if there was a way to easily get the table into an actual spreadsheet that would be helpful. I tried some extensions that export tables to other formats but nothing worked without a lot of cleanup.

Is there some kind of trick or tool or extension that makes these ginormous tables useful? I can’t tell how people even add information to these things, they are so large.

    • linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.deOP
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      1 year ago

      Thanks for taking the time! But it doesn’t properly reproduce the content.

      As an example, here is the very bottom left corner from the wikipedia:

      there is a merge row with content “5 TSMC N5”. Same height as merged row in next column, with content “Zen 4”.

      But in the google sheet:

      those row containing “5 TSMC N5” have all be un-merged into 14 separate rows. However for some reason “Zen 4” has been properly copied?

      I would need 2+ very large displays to compare the two documents side by side but from what i can see on my 1 small display there are many such inconsistencies. My experience is that cleaning up the data is impossible.

  • gnate@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Freezing top row would be my #1 pick, followed by the ability to use the full width of the browser window for the table (rather than forcing horizontal scroll at a fixed table width), and the ability to hide columns.

    Ideally without using an external interface… But I think the exporting to spreadsheet trick will absolutely be handy.

    • linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.deOP
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      1 year ago

      Freezing the top row (when wanted by the user) would be an actual legitimate use of that annoying thing where websites have their navigation bar persistently at the top of the window.

  • RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    I’ve seen websites where if you scroll down a table and cut off the heading, the heading detaches and follows your view so you can always see it. Why can’t Wikipedia do that?

    • linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.deOP
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      1 year ago

      Could be using CSS position: fixed. But idk there could be other more sophisticated ways to accomplish the same thing.

      In terms of why to not use it, I can think of reasons to avoid it by default. Like it could be very annoying on some devices in some situations. If the page authors made the table headings really long, it could obscure the content. I know I have been annoyed by this sort of thing when websites use position: fixed for their navigation or other elements. When I’ve snooped around the backend of wikipedia I see that they are contending with a wide variety of contributors and users and whatever they do needs to accommodate everyone.

      What I find surprising is that there is (apparently) no 3rd party browser extension, userstyle or userscript that allows enabling this.

  • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
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    1 year ago

    I can sort by the “Platform” column, or by “Latest release: Date” but not both.

    My biggest usability pet peeve of Wikipedia. Othewise, I think they’ve done a fine job on site design.