“The resolution suggests that all anti-Zionism—it states—is antisemitism. That’s either intellectually disingenuous or just factually wrong,” said New York Representative Jerry Nadler, who voted present. “The authors if they were at all familiar with Jewish history & culture should know about Jewish anti-Zionism that was and is expressly not antisemitic. This resolution ignores the fact that even today, certain Orthodox Hasidic Jewish communities … have held views that are at odds with the modern Zionist conception.”

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    No.

    Saying the state of Israel has no right to exist is not antisemitic either.

    You’re continuing the deliberate mistake of conflating Israel (a political entity) with Judaism (a religion). Not every Israeli is Jewish, nor is every Jew Israeli. Likewise Israel is not Jewish peoples nation, Jewish people live all over the world and call many nations their home.

    Also why do you believe people should have an ethno-state of their own?

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      How do you eliminate the state of Israel without killing a bunch of Jewish people?

      I don’t believe there should be any ethno-states, but that’s not the world we got.

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        It’s very easy to replace Israel with another state in the same place without killing or moving everyone.

        Israel is an ethnostate. Ethnostates are bad. Ethnostates that are religiously motivated are doubly bad.

        Israel could be a secular state that treated all ethnicities equally with zero loss in life or need for anyone to leave the area.

        They chose not to.

        It’s not antisemitism to acknowledge this.

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          Oh nation building. The US is pretty good at that. I mean, isn’t that how we got here in the first place? Moving a bunch of religious fanatics out of their holy land to make room for the displaced victims of a genocide?

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              Not at all, I just don’t think your solution is feasible. The Israeli leadership will not step down peacefully, and Hamas will not accept anything less than total victory. You’re suggesting a third party take control? Or do you think suddenly everyone involved will just forget all the murder and start singing “kumbaya”?

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              What pivot? That’s the argument presented. “The end of Israel does not require violence because Western nations can build a better nation for the Jewish and Palestinian peoples to live in harmony.” Does that actually deserve a full rebuttal?

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            That’s not how it started at all, the Brits have a lot more to do with this one.

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                I think I may have misunderstood you, I thought you were saying that America was responsible for Israel.

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                  No that’s my fault, I see why that’s what it sounded like. It was intended as two different points.

                  1. The US has a bad record of nation building.

                  2. Israel exists because of failed nation building, specifically how the UK controlled Palestine and started encouraging Jewish migration to the holy land, displacing Palestinians.

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          I’m not trying to argue against you here, I was just curious about the info and wanted to share it.

          So, it turns out that Buddhism is actually the official religion for 4 countries: Bhutan, Cambodia, Myanmar, and Sri Lanka. It’s also the majority religion for 3 more states: Thailand, Mongolia, and Laos. Total population of Buddhists exceeds 500 mil, about 7-8% of the world’s population according to 2010s data.

          How does this relate to Israel? Precisely fuck all. I just thought it was interesting to share how widespread Buddhism is.

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            That works both ways. At different times in history both Arabs and Jews have lived in the areas now called Israel and Palestine.

            The problem is snatching land from the present to punish deeds of the past just creates more sorrow.

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        How do you eliminate the state of Israel without killing a bunch of Jewish people?

        Destroying a state is not genocidal - no matter how much you want to pretend it to be.