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Twitch immediately rescinds its artistic nudity policy::Twitch has rolled back the artistic nudity portion of its sexual policy that allowed previously prohibited forms of sexual content.
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Ye good ole marketer’s leverage. Some ancient geezer at Amazon snorted “ad revenue” in it’s short breathed slumber and everyone on Twitch trembled.
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…What?
The boys season 3 episode 1 around 10 mins in
You were a little too quick with that timestamp
He’s got that shit jerkmarked
I think he’s describing the “What If…?”-version of Avengers: Endgame
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There are a million sites one can go for camgirls and strip teases, and Twitch shouldn’t be one of them. It’s a site about gaming streams. The only reason Twitch did this in the first place is to try and save face when people accused them of disproportionately banning female streamers. It was a bad move from the start.
Dunno, I’ve been using twitch since it was Justintv, it used to be a site about pay per view streams, free satellite TV and sometimes porn.
Which is not “artistic nudity”. Unless you are one of those loonies who protests outside of museums.
Rather than actually moderate the people abusing it because GASP women might wear something other than a burka*, it just became a blanket ban like it used to be. Except video games still get the exception because God specifically wrote on the ten commandments that we are allowed to see dick and titties in a GTA but can never see one in a painting.
*: Seriously. How do those fucks survive walking down the street? Let alone going to a beach
To be fair Rockstar was really the company that normalized nudity in games. Not that is is normalized, I can only think of a handful of companies that have done it in mainstream games. Cd project red gamed and that Conan exiles or whatever mmo where you get a dick? Honestly can’t think of others.
Like most things, “eurojank” and PC games had been doing it for decades since then. In large part because, once you get out of the US, nudity is just a thing as opposed to THE GREATEST THREAT TO HUMANITY BECAUSE BABY JESUS!!!
Like, I have seen plenty of clips of streamers learning that playing older FMV games is a minefield for that reason. And those tend to be more “discretionary” rather than “We have decided that you can see Astarion’s dick”
This is a very Eurocentric statement. Many other countries in the world actually have more restrictive rules and mores around nudity than the US does.
But personally I think nudity should be protected as part of the human right to free expression.
Many other countries in the world actually have more restrictive rules and mores around nudity than the US does.
Like Saudi Arabia, yes.
Also China and India, so like a quarter to a third of the world’s population
Note that they’re all culturally conservative, oppressive places though.
Nudity has been normalized in video games since at least Custer’s Revenge for the Atari 2600, if not earlier.
Shout-out to Seanbaby’s amazing review of this game (among others)
First of all, it was under Twitch’s version of “artistic nudity” which is part of why they rescinded the statement
And you either allow something or you don’t. Part of the reason this whole fiasco happened is because Twitch wasn’t very clear on what was and wasn’t allowed. If you allow artistic nudity paintings, what’s going to stop people from saying hentai is just artistic nudity? Or AI generated porn, like the article was talking about? It’s a pain in the ass, and Twitch isn’t the place for it despite the discussion anyways…
You use similar rules to how video games are allowed. Or like how art actually is handled
Because, if you go to an art museum? Odds are you are going to see a nipple and maybe even some breastfeeding (the scandal of it all!). Hell, you might even see stuff like the fisherman’s wife and the like. But you probably aren’t going to see gaping vag and people riding sybians.
Believe it or not, it isn’t a hard problem when people act in good faith. Rather than just immediately noping out because a bunch of assholes are too immature to understand that “artistic nudity” is actually a concept.
The commenter is being a jerk, but you’re misinterpreting the point they’re trying to make. Twitch has a had a lot of issues with rules enforcement since the introduction of the ‘Just Chatting’ section when it comes to sexual content. What’s considered acceptable has only ever been nebulously defined in the TOS really.
Because of this a lot of disproportionate bans have happened on women simply for existing, largely affecting smaller streamers because large ones generally just get a slap on the wrist. On the other side of the spectrum the rules have also allowed for a lot of loopholes being taken advantage of, like for example the hottub craze. The other commenter is not exaggerating when they are saying that people stream themselves pole dancing and doing strip teases.
Whether you agree or disagree on the level of sexualization that should be allowed on the platform, what’s considered acceptable use definitely needs to be more rigidly defined for the benefit of everyone.
The “TOS” has consistently been misogynistic. It took how long to even pretend to make guys put shirts on? And they still regularly refuse to and nothing happens.
But a woman wearing a tube top and not making it explicitly clear that she is fully clothed out of frame? End of the fucking world and all the “I am gonna test the waters to get that kick bag” streamers needed to chime in and start a holy war.
I think the rules that just got rolled back were an AWESOME start. They needed refining, but it solved the issue of “I really don’t want to see hot tub streams on the front page” while also acting like adults. And the response to people pushing the boundaries in bad faith was to roll it all back and see if they can mail out some twitch branded burkas to every female presenting streamer on the platform.
While I have more than a few issues with his response (mostly because he is “friends” and business partners with a lot of those “so… how much of that tate bag can I get and will kick pay me for it?” streamers…), Ludwig’s response to this a day or two ago was pretty spot on. Youtube already has this shit and nobody cares. The key is just to keep it off the front page, which these rules did. Then just drill down and refine the rules to let people know how far they can push it while the actual artists do whatever.
I’m not saying there’s no such thing as artistic nudity, I’m saying that believe it or not Twitch ISN’T a curated art museum and believe it or not people DID use it in bad faith to make pole dancing streams, strip teasing streams, streams where they generate nude AI images, etc.
Believe it or not, it isn’t a hard problem when people act in good faith. Rather than just immediately noping out because a bunch of assholes
That’s hilarious, because calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you an asshole isn’t a good faith argument
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Log off and come back when you can make a discussion without calling someone an asshole or incel
Your description of twitch makes me suspect you haven’t even used it.
There is nothing wrong with nudity.
People clutching their pearls about it is the problem.
There’s a big fucking difference between basic nudity and sexualized content, and I’m exhausted by people like you pretending there isn’t and that this is some sort of puritamical crusade against the bodies that we all have.
It’s some disingenuous bullshit that I’m having a harder time believing isn’t intentional muddying of the waters by coom brained porn addicts the more I hear it repeated.
If you think that plain nudity made twitch rescind this, or that the majority of people against this shit are against nudity itself, you’re sorely mistaken. I’m tired of sexualized content fucking everywhere, especially on video sites like youtube and Twitch that have content that targets children (most game streams and video content) right the hell next to people doing bikini jumping jacks in the shower.
Porn exists. I enjoy it. I don’t need the lines blurred between it and other content by people out to make a quick buck off the pathetic people being tricked into paying for it by parasocial grifting.
Context matters, and Twitch already had a glut of streamers using it purely as an on ramp to their OnlyFans and other paypig sites before this harebrained shit.
Fucking on the money. (actually… literally)
There’s a big fucking difference between basic nudity and sexualized content, and I’m exhausted by people like you pretending there isn’t and that this is some sort of puritamical crusade against the bodies that we all have.
Exactly.
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If you can’t tell the difference between nudity and sexual content, maybe it’s time you cut back on the jerking off.
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Thank you for self selecting out of the discussion, although I don’t understand your need to broadcast it.
Legitimately confused here. Did you think making this comment would make you look cool, get you upvotes or something?
Adds nothing to the conversation unless you’re willing to expand on why that phrase affected you the way it did.
Fuck it. Lets throw some sass. Did it hit too close to home, or do you just assume there’s enough people who have the same views as you that they’ll understand your vague as hell attempt to throw shade?
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There is nothing wrong with nudity.
Lol so every site should feature nudity now? Will you be happy when Twitch turns into onlyfans? As if there aren’t enough places on the internet someone can go to for showing off their body.
Unless it’s specifically marketed at children, every site should be able to show nudity, yes. We’re all human beings with the same parts; let’s get over ourselves already.
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Yikes, you’re projecting so hard
If you don’t want to see it don’t look.
How about if you want to see it, go look for it? You’re really suggesting they should add nudity on my feed and I should just look away?
Maybe you haven’t noticed, but there’s plenty of nudity on Lemmy. Do you just ignore it here?
Or do you instead block instances, subscribe to those you’re interested in, and otherwise leverage tools to avoid content you don’t want to see?
Just like that. I don’t think many people are arguing that some cam girl’s asshole should be displayed uncensored on the front page of Twitch. I’d argue that they should keep the default experience tame, but allow its users to choose what they want – or don’t want – to see through settings and features.
Yeah I don’t use Twitch but I’m confused why they don’t require streamers to, like, tag their content with what it is. Not just for sex stuff, but generally. Have tags for like Realistic Violence, Cartoon Violence, Nudity, Musicals, Sexual content, etc, and then let the users (and advertisers) pick what tags they care about.
Then they can have enforcement around “You only tagged yourself Cartoon Mischief and had a hardcore anal scene - That’s a breach”. That seems like a simpler problem that would work for everyone. If you don’t want to see porn, just block the tag. That’s kind of how Steam works. They have porn games and I just don’t see them because I blocked the tag.
Did they do exactly that yesterday?
You are still alive today so what’s your problem?
Hard to reason with pearl clutchers afraid of what their gods gave them
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Your username is disgusting
Edit: lol he blocked me and accused me of harassment because I have made the same comment a couple of times, months apart typically.
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Well that was fast
Yes, because it was just going to turn into pornhub v2.
It pretty much did within minutes LMAO
Go check Livestream fail for clips of the hilarity
Is that a Lemmy community… ?
TLDW?
What is that
Interested but actually not enough to be bothered checking for myself…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Mere days after Twitch updated its content policy to permit certain kinds of sexual content, the platform has withdrawn the portion of the policy permitting “artistic nudity.”
“Effective today, we are rolling back the artistic nudity changes,” the update read.
“Moving forward, depictions of real or fictional nudity won’t be allowed on Twitch, regardless of the medium.” Mature-rated games will not be affected by the rollback and subject to the new policy.
Today however, Twitch said it is withdrawing specifically the part of the content policy that allowed “artistic nudity.”
The specific callout of AI seems to be related to the concern that the new artistic nudity policy might enable artists and other streamers to create and display AI-generated “deepfakes” passed off as permitted art.
Twitch’s initial update recognized the artist community on the platform and how previous sexual content policies were “overly punitive.” However, after the changes, it seemed like some streamers took advantage of the new policy to contravene that spirit with activities like using fully nude avatars or stream overlays featuring nude drawings.
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Ok, well, I wasn’t missing anything before Twitch’s nudity policy change, and I’m definitely not missing anything after it reverted, so I’m guessing in that small window it wasn’t worth my time either?
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Have they hired Elon Musk at Twitch?
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How is this enshitification? They changed a policy and then reversed the change. So there has been exactly no change.
Buzzwords are cool?
It’s not. I think I’ve encountered maybe one person that uses that word correctly (and to be fair, it’s a really dumb word for what it’s supposed to mean). Literally everyone else just uses it because it has the word ‘shit’ in it.
They banned a lot of artist who thought they finally don’t have to worry about hiding their layers when drawing…
Reshitification
