The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don’t think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the “second in command”

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    Not the prettiest instance, but have they caused any real trouble outside of their own instance? Not much of a fediverse if we just defederate from instances that lean different politically. Especially seems like a weird move to go defederating on other instances this early given y’know, that we just got defederated from beehaw because of one misbehaved asshole.

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      Given that no bigotry is one of the stated rules of this instance and that bigotry is pretty rampant over on that instance I think it would be appropriate to disassociate with them.

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        Bigotry is a matter of personal taste. I found some posts from trans subs talking about cis white men killing people, but I didn’t try to censor them because I’m an adult and possess the ability to ignore them.

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      I’m not saying we should immediately defederate, but the reason I originally went to check them out was partially because of this comment and the reply from dick@exploding-heads.com

      https://sh.itjust.works/comment/207742

      When he made that reply, it got rapidly upvoted to +7, while my comment was also sitting at about +7. This morning, several hours later, when a bunch of actual sh.itjust.works users woke up and read the thread, the ratio of votes changed in my favor.

      I fear that we are going to deal with a significant level of brigading from that instance, and unlike reddit we don’t really have any tools to combat that.

      They also had a good laugh about the troll who posted here about getting us defederated by beehaw. They really don’t like beehaw, or gay people in general.

      It’s whatever but we are already defederated with lemmygrad.ml and I feel like this stuff is on that same tier.

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        this is an interesting post-reddit effect, we have people of all different types and motives seeking new places.

        A lot of people seem to think this is an all out battle between a new community and reddit. Like we have to beat them or something. The situation with reddit is not a win-lose, reddit would never go dark overnight. A lot of users are just over reddit and moving on. I personally don’t care about lemmy becoming the next reddit nor do I really care what happens to them.

        A big difference to me with this migration is the instances seem to attract like minds. This is going to be a very interesting event to watch how the fediverse grows and changes.

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          I personally do see this as a war against reddit and the corporate internet. But we are just marshaling the troops, we aren’t about to march into battle.

          I think this migration is different for two reasons.

          Firstly, because the main users who were alienated were the mods, app devs, and long time redditors. The composition of the exodus is infinitely superior to the voat migration for example.

          Secondly, because the platform of Lemmy and the fediverse provides actual value due to the ability to federate. You can’t get the combination of access and protection that this platform might eventually provide on regular social media.

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        I had a look through their hot-page and couldn’t find anything on the level of lemmygrad. Do you have any examples?

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          https://exploding-heads.com/post/100772

          Many of the trolls on that thread aren’t actually from that server, but they clearly reside in the same dark corner of the internet. But yeah its not really as bad as I thought in terms of needing to defederate, I thought they had over 1k users acting like that but I guess I just replied to the wrong person because the server is mostly dead.

          But I have to say, I’ve never encountered people with such a burning hatred of redditors. Again, it’s whatever but I wouldn’t be bothered if we did defederate.

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            I think we should stay federated with them. They haven’t said anything wrong or bad yet.

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      Being openly bigoted isn’t a “political leaning” though, and it’s against lemmy.world’s code of conduct as stated on the sidebar link: https://mastodon.world/about

      Provide a friendly, safe, and welcoming environment for everyone regardless of gender identity or expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, political affiliation, or other similar characteristic.

      No one is saying let’s ban conservatives. This discussion is about defederating an instance that seems to be crawling with alt-right trolls. I don’t understand why that would be a problem.

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        Like I’d hope that we wouldn’t follow in Reddit’s footsteps of tolerating alt-right bigotry

        Defederating isn’t like being fucking censored or whatever; it’s people deciding that they don’t want to be around you

        Basically near-every instance did this for Lemmygrad with zero complaint, so it’s fucking weird that there are so many people complaining now when it comes to an instance teeming with alt-right bigotry

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          Reddit didn’t tolerate alt-right bigotry. What are you on about?

          And yes, defederating is censorship. I had a burggit account because I liked the name, but then once they got defederated from everything, I needed to make a new account. That’s censorship.

          Lemmygrad, Exploding-Head and Beehaw are all safe-spaces and echo-chambers. They won’t wander outside their zone, which they haven’t. Find it hilarious you’re so huffy about the alt-right, but silent about multiple mods enabling pro-communist content.

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            Do not mistake inconvenience for oppression.

            That is NOT censorship. Everyone on that instance still has every opportunity to say whatever they’d like. Don’t cry over the fact that it’s not reaching as many people as you want it to.

            Obligatory XKCD about this topic.

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              So you’re pro echo-chamber? You also completely disregarded my point about having to make a new account.

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                  How is having to make a new account in an entirely separate instance not censorship?

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                    …Because how is it censorship?

                    You can literally access all content available on every instance from any account.

                    Making an account is free and takes two minutes, I literally just did it.

                    You can comment on any content you’re federated with from any account.

                    You aren’t being suppressed from speaking at all.

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            Yes it did, until media brought attention to it, then they banned The Donald and Metacanada and these users just joined other subs where they spewed their poison with the admin’s blessing in the cases where mods from subs that got banned were also modding other subs that didn’t (metacanada mods also modding Canada).

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              And all of the tankie subreddits were never touched despite having the same content.

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                Almost like tankie subreddits weren’t gaming the Reddit vote system to push literal propaganda to the front page for years or something

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                  Propaganda is the front page, my dude. Won’t deny T_D was shitty, fuck em, they deserved the ban-hammer for having an echo-chamber.

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                    I mean, yeah, but my point is more that they were uniquely shitty for actively fostering the echo chamber and regularly intentionally breaking containment onto All.

                    I distinctly remember in 2016 how many pro-trump posts would pop onto the top of All with thousands of T_D upvotes, because the mods would pin posts they’d want to rally behind to the top of the subreddit. It really wasn’t largely the same content.

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                  Whataboutism is perfectly valid.

                  Get your American politics out of your head when talking about global issues. Just makes you look ignorant.

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                    Not American, just pointing out that you needed to change the subject in order to come up with an argument.

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            how about that whole span of time that r/the_donald was a subreddit lmao

            edit: it’s not censorship if you can easily move to another instance with little difficulty and just continue from there, with most of the same communities even

            people like you just think someone telling them that they don’t want to hear you is the same as being suppressed

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      Agree. I think blocking should be done on an individual basis unless it truly becomes a problem for most users and a turn-off for new users