Personally, I want nothing to do with them and I’m not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I moved to the Fediverse to get away from all these corpos.
They are free to set up an instance. Not sure who would federate with them.
Most Based answer.
Bribes
They see the fediverse trend gain9ng steam with the rise of Mastodon and go “Oh sheit we need to be on that for $$$”. Proceed to embrace, extend, enshittify, and extinguish. Its nothing but Zuckerberg’s gasping breaths to try and stay relevant as his company begins the very slow, but inevitable, backslide into technological irrelevance.
I will be leaving and/or blocking any instance that chooses to federate with anything related to Meta. They are antithetical to the entire foundation of the metaverse and they ruin everything they touch.
Give meta the boot
Nope. Just nope. It’ll be the death of the Fediverse.
Is that necessary though? I feel like we should let them join. If they do something malicious, then we can block them. IMO, it doesn’t make sense to just preemptively block them for no real reason.
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Microsoft did it before, we shouldn’t let Meta do it now.
They’ve demontrated their evil nature in the past, promoting divisive and inciteful material and anything to drive engagement for the sake of advertiser dollars. I don’t think we need to wait for them to do it again in the Fediverse. Better to head that shit off right up front.
It is wholly necessary. They will start massive data mining operations if they join, harming users of all instances.
I don’t think I could disagree more. We value the fact that this tech can be scraped, API’d and redistributed. That’s kinda point and partial cause of the protesting going with Reddit at this moment. ???
We have abilities to block it ourselves. We want options and features to customize our personal experiences as we see fit. That’s what we are trying to build here.
Data mining can happen without any of that, everything you post in the fediverse is literally available for anyone to see. Realistically, the most harm they can do is build controlled communities that grow so huge that they drown out all of the fediverse’s open communities.
Your most harm scenario is exactly what they want to do.
Yeah, it is. And I’m not saying that’s not a valid reason to resist companies in the fediverse, it totally is. I’m just saying the privacy concerns everyone is mentioning don’t really make sense, anything they could get, everyone already has
Yeah I kind of roll my eyes about it too. “Things you delete are there forever” - that’s literally how the internet has always worked. It’s like when people found out their snap chats and Instagram stories could be seen by anyone who worked at the companies…like fucking obviously, they DEVELOPED the app and host all the content?!
Look at what happened with Google Chrome and browser standards. We don’t want a company that dominates the landscape changing the rules in their favour.
Mixed. On the positive, the fediverse is meant to be open for all, and the fact that it appeals to the corporate overlords means its demonstrated at least some degree of staying power. Further, this will bring far more people into the fediverse to interact and play with. On the negative, meta is a parasite, and most of us who are excited about the fediverse are going to gravitate to instances that defederate from Meta (and probably tumblr, too).
So on the whole? Its a neutral thing
They can fuck right off.
All they’ll do is centralize the decentralized.
It’s an easy fix. If an instance you’re a part of federates with them then just move to a new instance.
Hopefully this will put instance blocking on the top of the list.
Meta are doing WHAT‽
A federated reddit clone named threads.
‘What a lovely Nope you have going on there.’
Sounds like it is going to be more of a Twitter clone unless I read a shit article. It also sounds like they might not federate with mastodon or other instances to keep everyone in their meta ecosystem.
I see.
Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.
Yeah, I was thinking of Jabber as well, when I heard this. For a brief period everything was perfect. Facebook and Google were both using Jabber. And even WhatsApp was using it, I think. So if you had an account somewhere you could actually chat with all your friends, totally unimpeded.
EU should hurry up with their federation laws.
EU should hurry up with their federation laws.
What do you mean?
Holy shit! Had no idea! Thanks, mate.
Common EU WThe EU really are the protectors of the free and open internet. Given the Republicans would kill any attempts to pass any regulations here in the States, we’re basically reliant on the EU to save us. So thanks, guys :)
I like the EU as much as the next guy, but you can’t tell the whole story without mentioning this disaster.
you can still use XMPP. i use it, my family uses it.
hate facebook all you want (i certainly do) but dont act like normies would be living in a federated utopia without them. theyd be on whatever is closed source with the most number of people and the most advertising dollars behind it and the simplest user experience. normies like easy, and its hard to blame them.
Yes and no. Normies use federated systems too: Websites and email.
Apple was also federated with iChat/iMessage. I believe iMessage still to this day is XMPP based.
I was going to say, while we can’t do much about them adopting an open protocol, please defederate with them
Ack. I just said almost the same thing before I read your comment.
Fuuuuuck no! This isn’t actually happening right? This is just an idea I hope?
They what now? Wtf
Meta is developing a twitter like app called Threads which will implement ActivityPub.
we shouldnt let them in. they would have done decentralized service years ago if there was money in it for them. They either want us to stop or try to seize control in only way that can -> by worming in.
We must have zero-tolerance for corporations or we might as well just give up.
We must have zero-tolerance for corporations or we might as well just give up.
As long as servers cost money to run, corporations will need to be involved.
At a fundamental level, it’s either
a) run by donations as a non profit, but as we’ve seen from wikipedia it will be a constant struggle to have enough money to last indefinitely (especially since Reddit / kbin / lemmy cost a lot more to run than Wikipedia)
b) run by subscriptions, which will greatly limit growth, reach, search engine optimization, etc.
c) run by advertising in which case corporate ad networks (like the kind that Meta runs) will need to be involved or
d) have instances that are government run / paid for, but it would be difficult to accomplish on a global scale and may come with restrictions that not everyone is happy with
It sucks but those are pretty much the only four options for running a digital community that requires paid servers and hosting space. Either corporations or some large government organization are going to have to be involved.
About your first point, I’ve heard that Wikipedia is actually very wealthy and doesn’t need the money. They essentially run a scam every year asking for more.
I don’t understand why everyone freaks out that wikipedia tries to keep a reserve. Yes, they have enough money on hand to run for a few years… Is that really such a bad thing? Why does everyone think nonprofits should be scrimping by before they do their next donation campaign?
To me, keeping a reserve fund just seems like good money management, and I’d rather donate to an organization that manages their money well than one that doesn’t. If there were problems with a large chunk of donations not going to wikipedia upkeep it would be different, but as far as I can tell all of the controversy is just over the fact that they have a reserve at all
The biggest problem is the fact they beg for donations and the wording makes it seem like they are about to shut down unless you donate right now. They are disingenuous.
No one said having reserve funds is bad. Just don’t act like you’re about to shut down Wikipedia to get more money when you literally have millions in reserve. It’s scummy.
If they join the Fediverse I am leaving. We have made the Fediverse to get away from coorporations like them, letting them join us will defeat the whole point of what we have.
The great thing about the fediverse is you can just not federate with them.
News story I looked up. Fuck Meta and all the other money-sucking bastards that want to commodify every breath I take.
https://fediversereport.com/meta-plans-on-joining-the-fediverse-the-responses/
Meta is more likely to pull people away from Twitter than Mastodon is, and having all of Twitter be run with ActivityPub / open to federation is a good thing.
