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      There has been a recent movement of states with bad flags trying to improve their image. Illinois might be next and I’m quite excited about it as it’s long overdue!

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        I thought, “Doesn’t Illinois have one of the few good state flags?”

        Nope, I was thinking of the city flag of Chicago. The state flag is literally just the state crest on a white background. It would absolutely benefit from a redesign. :p

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      There’s actually a few nice ones. Check out New Mexico, one of my personal favourites.

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        The bear is great but the fact that they label it “CALIFORNIA” in big block letters makes me laugh every time I see it. It’s like a child drawing.

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        It’s not uncommon to have religious symbolism in flags. 🇦🇨🇦🇫🇧🇲🇦🇺🇦🇮🇧🇻🇮🇪🇬🇧🇸🇦🇫🇮🇫🇴🇸🇪🇮🇶🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

        Just a quick glance through flag emojis for some.

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            Probably for implying that “we’re going to conquer the world for our religion that was specifically racist until 2013 and abolish the separation of church and state” is the same thing as a cross or moon.

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                I’m gonna be real with you chief, of all the things you can accuse fundamentalist Muslims of racism isn’t really one them (the faith actually demands anti-racism… For the Faithful TM), and everything else they do Mormons can match.

                Weird hangups about drugs? Yup.

                Patriarchal polygamy? Yeppers.

                Wanting to establish a global theocracy? You know it.

                Weirdly obsessed with a desert city? Damn skippy.

                So, idk, seems like a pretty clear victor there on the checklist. Anti-racism zealotry is better than specifically racist zealotry.

                Also, just saying, a Muslim has never tried to convert me door to door.

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                  The faith isn’t racist. You just have to do Arab rituals, wear Arab clothing, pray in Arabic, and the only proper way to read the Qur’an is if you know Arabic. Oh and also make a pilgrimage to Arabia.

                  Although I do concede that Mormonism is worse with the fabrication that the mark of cain is upon non white people, and that Islam doesn’t really call for discrimination against other races.

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              we’re going to conquer the world for our religion that was specifically racist until 2013

              It’s still plenty racist.

              abolish the separation of church and state

              In Utah, its functionally non-existent. You don’t win city dog catcher if the electorate thinks you’re somehow anti-Mormon. You won’t be appointed to anything, either.

              the same thing as a cross or moon

              Go back to when those flags were originally stitched up and you’re going to find evangelical views remarkably similar to that of modern Mormons. Religious supremacy is at the heart of virtually every major surviving world religion. Putting a big cross on your flag and going out to conquer your religious rivals goes back to Constantine the Great.

              It absolutely means the same thing.

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                The beehive isn’t the significant religious symbol to Latter-day Saints that you think it is. Those of us not from Utah barely know about the symbol’s relationship to the history of the Church.

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    I still can’t believe they tried to stop this from being adopted because better designs are woke now apparently

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      Look, let’s be honest. Any change is “woke.” There is this imaginary world that existed 80 years ago that they want to get back to, that was all sunshine and surplus, and they think that any change, particularly progressive change, is bad and “woke.”

      Edit: so I realized what instance I was in and that this isn’t the appropriate place for that rant. So I will just say that I really appreciate the changes that are being made to flags, because it seems like the people coming up with the flags in the first place didn’t really get it.

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    Looks like an nfl team logo. I hate how contemporary corporate design it is.

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      Contemporary corporate is extremely fitting to the Mormon majority.

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      Weird, it doesn’t feel corporate at all to me. A flat, simple design doesn’t immediately mean something’s corporate.

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        I don’t have any art background so I can’t really describe why the (non-clan based ones) feel so overly artificial. I think the color choice has a lot to do with it though-- way too many lime greens and oranges for me. Plus some of them are based on letters from the latin alphabet, which almost seems like a reverse weeb thing, ie “western letters are so cool guys!” Not that most of the kana ones are much better-- it’s hard to make lettering on a flag look good.

        Maybe the vexillology community would be able to describe it better.

        edit: I mistook the comment I replied to as a reply to my comment below, but I’ll leave this up as an explanation into why I find the Japanese flags strange

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          I can see where you’re coming from (in regards to Japanese prefecture flags) but I still think a lot of them look really good. At least the nicest thing is that they’re all consistent, but still a bit distinct from each other. And a symbol on a blanket is waaaay better than the american seal on a blanket in my opinion :)

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      Since you haven’t received a serious answer yet…

      Utah is self reffered to as the Beehive State because Brigham Young originally wanted to name it “Deseret” from the Book of Mormon. “Deseret” in LDS teachings means “Honeybee”. This was meant to show that the Mormon settlers were hardworking, industrious, and self reliant.

      This obviously didn’t fly for a ton of reasons and they didn’t have much of a choice after the Union Army basically chased them halfway across the country and then took a foothold right alongside them in the territory to make sure they didn’t establish a Theocratic state.

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              Doesn’t article 6 of the constitution atleast allude to a separation of church and state?

              I don’t think the rest of the federation would approve of a theocratic state.

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                Except Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Kansas. But other than that what have the Romans ever done for us?

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                  All highly religious states yet, none that are truly theocratic states. They all follow article 6 of the constitution and try their best to tailor their laws to subvert it. Ultimately the federation wins.

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                Doesn’t article 6 of the constitution at least allude to a separation of church and state?

                Sure. But it doesn’t preclude candidates from announcing their religious affiliation and voters selecting them accordingly.

                I don’t think the rest of the federation would approve of a theocratic state.

                Not a Mormon theocratic state (which is one big reason why Romney underperformed Bush and Trump among Evangelicals). But there’s a sizable portion of the population that would like their flavor of religion as de facto law of the land. And quite a few who assert it already is, and its just a matter of an Executive/Judiciary action to make it a reality.

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                  Which I simply don’t understand.

                  I’m religious, but if following the tenants of my faith were law, I would no longer be choosing to practice my faith.

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                The US (and western civilization) has been a theocratic state for a long time, it simply hides in plain sight as scientism or materialism.

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                Hate to break it to you, but one of the two major political parties in this country is.

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        Deseret

        Ether 2:3 And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind.

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    It’s lovely. Unlike the compromise flag that came out of Minnesota.

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      You’re looking at the Minnesota flag through the eyes of someone with lots of good choices who didn’t get what they want. I think there’s no doubt that the current new flag is an upgrade from the old one.

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        It’s an upgrade. But the bar was already low because the previous flag was pitiful. The one that won he competition was fine, but then someone (or someones) who thought they “knew better” made changes to it and sucked all the color out of it. Now it’s just meh.

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      Imo the new Minnesota flag is great. It’s not as good as the original submission (and that sentiment might contribute to people not liking it as much), but it’s still a good flag. The colors are nice, the design is distinct & readable, and you can even combine other flags with it (an obvious example being a pride flag) by replacing that light blue field.