…yeah, I’m sure Trump will have your back…

  • Last time I acted on a threat like this, we got Bush Jr. I absolutely did not want to see Tipper Fucking Gore in the White House again, so I voted Green Party. Turns out, me and a bunch of other people doing the same thing almost certainly resulted in the resulting 20 years of constant war, and the deaths of countless innocent civilian non-combatants. I really do believe that blood is on my hands.

    Every potential US president with any real chance of winning - all of them - will support Israel. Taking voting action that will lead to a guy who will not only continue to support Israel, but will fan the fires of anti-Islamic rhetoric, and is also a right-wing white supremicist who openly hates poor people… that’s the definition of “cutting off your nose to spite your face.”

    They’re angry. I*m angry. My representatives know I think our support of Israel in this genocide is unconscionable. Threatening to not vote for the lesser of two evils is an understandable statement of frustration, but until there’s a credible alternative candidate who says they’d cut military support for Israel… well, it’s just punching a brick wall.

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      Last time I acted on a threat like this, we got Bush Jr.

      puts on mechanic outfit that’s your problem right there! You’ve got your intended effect meter on backwards. puts it back to “politician acts on threat from constituents”

      I really do believe that blood is on my hands.

      Blaming yourself for what others do is a classic sign of being in a toxic relationship. You didn’t invent the undemocratuc Electoral College, without which Dubya would never have been president and none of his war crimes were suggested by you.

      Every potential US president with any real chance of winning - all of them - will support Israel.

      Yeah, as long as people like you reinforce the toxic status quo by doing their best to vehemently oppose every attempt to hold them accountable.

      My representatives know I think our support of Israel in this genocide is unconscionable.

      And your representative also knows that they can count on you and others to run interference every time someone tries to effect meaningful change.

      Threatening to not vote for the lesser of two evils is an understandable statement of frustration, but until there’s a credible alternative candidate who says they’d cut military support for Israel… well, it’s just punching a brick wall.

      You would have told Martin Luther King to cut it out with the “brick wall punching” for sure.

      • You didn’t invent the undemocratuc Electoral College

        No, and I didn’t institute our broken first-past-the-post election system, which is far more complicit than the electoral college. But, even back then, I knew full well how the system works. Everyone who understands how our election system works and yet still believes they are making a difference with a protest vote is being willfully ignorant.

        In that election, the Green Party did far better than they ever had before. What measurable difference did that have in either the reigning conservative, or subsequent liberal, policy? What did those protest votes accomplish, other than absolutely making the difference and costing Al Gore a close election?

        You would have told Martin Luther King to cut it out with the “brick wall punching” for sure.

        Oh, cut it out. You know this is a straw man. Protest can be effective; violent insurrection has worked. Neither are strategic voting.

        You can vote Bernie as many times as you want. It’s not going to affect American policy. Protest votes in general elections are wasted votes; it’s the mathematically proven outcome of our first-past-the-post election system.