Why would communist support capitalists like Putin and Xi-Jinping which aren’t better than Liberal-capitalists ?
I am all in for stopping liberal capitalism, but I am more interested in implementing a happinex index like Buthan than living in oligarch-capitalist-regime like Russia/China
Basically they’ve bought into the idea that the West, neoliberal capitalists to the core, is the root of all evils, so the leaders opposing the West must be good. Unfortunately, the enemy of my enemy isn’t my friend when it comes to geopolitics.
Because they can’t go beyond “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” level of logic.
By the mental gymnastics they have applied to make Stalins brand of communism into their ideal they have actually learned to embrace authoritarianism.
They think that the only way that communism can be manifested is by first destroying the western capitalist society and they think Putin and Xi will help in this endeavor.
It’s quite delusional (as both are openly embracing capitalism) and quite the opposite of how Marx thought communism would take place, but that’s what they seem to think.
I don’t understand either, I want capitalism to stop but not by making life worse like that
Because for them hate for the west comes first and foremost, and after that comes their ideology. That’s why anyone who opposes the west is good in their eyes.
They’re authoritarian and they hate the west. Of course they’re appealing to communists.
Western commies idolising brutal authoritarian regimes is nothing new.
because they are campists: if america bad, then everyone who opposes america good. support for land-grabbing nationalists like putin is one thing, but some even support iranian government
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Basically because there’s enough people on the planet that some are going fall into any camp that gets created. People seek their own identities, which sometimes involves moving away from things other people are believing in.
Possibly an adaptation to keep the species from getting too complacent, which we’re a little inclined towards otherwise, probably due to our social nature. It’s a vulnerable state though, can’t have the whole species going extinct every time an ice age comes.
It’s bizarre. Both countries have moved away from communism. Russia is ruled by oligarchs. Xi-Jinping’s stated goals are to move China to a modern socialist nation while staying in keeping with China’s culture. His actions are the opposite—China has become more and more capitalist while maintaining authoritarian leadership.
Comparing China to Russia is laughable.
One has a competent government the other doesn’t.
All the more perplexing that there’s Putin support.
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This is a ridiculously loaded question.
The use of the dollar as a big stick for military base expansion and funding of forever wars across the world is directly threatened by the creation of a multipolar world. While Russia has amble things that can be criticized for, there is critical support as the defeat of NATO forces combined with the expansion of BRICS and China’s BRI has created space for many countries in the world to cease their dependence on the united states while ending the funding of a military that authoritatively declared itself the world police.
Based on this data I would come to the conclusion that China is doing a good job, not to mention Covid-19 where majority of the western countries subjected large amounts of the population to a disease and continues to make allowances for anti-vaccine misinfo advocates.
Chinese homeownership is 89% compared to the united states 65% under Xi Jinping’s tenure
Chinese poverty has continued to decrease under Xi Jinping’s tenure
Chinese literacy rate has continued to increase and is higher than the United States
Chinese maternal mortality rate has continued to decrease while the Untied States is increasing
China’s homicide rate has continued to decrease while the United States is increasing
China’s suicide rate has continued to decrease while the United States is increasing
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t say that US are great or whatever. I say that as a socialist, modern China is pretty far from the kind of society I would like to build, and just like I blame some comrade for falling in the social liberal trap, I blame others for falling in the anything against US is good trap
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Removing under rule #2 - this is political and the question is already slanted.
Are political questions out of scope for this community? There is no rule like that in the sidebar.
In “Community Info” rule 2 says they don’t have the bandwidth to moderate political discussion.
*Not taking a side, just supplying information.
Yeah, maybe I should try to read more carefully.
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“I’m not a Putin apologist, I just coincidentally reach the same talking points as Russian propaganda through my totally unbiased research!”
Putin was forced to start a proxy war, shoot down a passenger plane, annex Crimea, invade the whole of Ukraine and commit multiple war crimes, because the people didn’t elect his friends, you see. /s
I’m not a Saddam, I just coincidentally reached the same talking points as Iraqi propaganda through my totally unbiased research.
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Russian propaganda is different for different audiences. There’s one propaganda line for Russian nationalists at home, a different line for right-leaning Westerners, and a different one for left-leaning Westerners, among many, many others. And the one you’re repeating is the propaganda line for left-leaning Westerners. It sounds more reasonable to us because we’re the target audience, but don’t be fooled, it’s pure BS-- same as the other propaganda lines.
The people of Ukraine didn’t want to be Russian, they wanted to be more like the West. Their leader at the time wanted Ukraine to get in bed with Russia and the rest of the East. They ousted him. Putin seized on their moment of weakness and instability by invading.
Could the US have played a role? Yeah but every country with the ability to project any power almost certainly did as well. That’s just geopolitics at work for better or worse.
Every single country on Earth exerts influence on the others to benefit themselves. Look at Ukraine cozying up with the West right now to get weapons and notice how the US, UK, and other Western nations are happily obliging. Ukraine wants to be Western and the West would love another long-term ally, especially one next to Russia. Anyone really think Eastern nations don’t do the same thing? China is exerting a ton of influence in Africa right now, and it’s not out of the goodness of their hearts - it’s quite predatory actually so they’re no different than the US in that regard.
This is an excellent lecture (though admittedly quite long) which provides some much needed context on these issues.
The University of Chicago: Why is Ukraine the West’s Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer
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“China doesn’t require austerity”
Please expand on exactly what you think this means.
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The west isn’t the good guy but you’re nuts if you think China isn’t sucking Africa dry.
I just watched a documentary recently (I will genuinely try to find it again and link here if I can) where Native African workers were being put out of business by China in their own country. China is mining for rare Earth metals using Chinese workers and trapping a lot of these countries in debts they won’t be able to pay back. Once I saw it coming from the mouths of Native Africans, I knew it wasn’t propaganda from either side. Straight to the source - people who live there and see it every day. They start out very grateful for China’s assistance and then later on realize the trap they are in.
Here is some other info: https://apnews.com/article/china-debt-banking-loans-financial-developing-countries-collapse-8df6f9fac3e1e758d0e6d8d5dfbd3ed6
There’s plenty of info of African leaders thanking China approach in Africa. African leaders are not dumb , if China offers a better credit card and infrastructure plans than some western countries they will choose that. Yes, it’s that simple.
“I’m not a tankie, I just parrot all of their talking points and their weird, myopic rhetorical style.”
The Maidan revolution happened because the Ukrainian parliament had been working on a trade agreement with the EU. Then Russian puppet Yanukovych gets elected and through Russian pressure discards this agreement completely. The Ukrainian people tired of living under Putins boot, much like Belarusian people still do, had a revolution which lead to the police killing many people. Once the revolution was over Russia immediately invaded Crimea. Painting Ukrainian independence not as an act of self determination but as American meddling is Russian propaganda. Painting Russian military invasion not as a military invasion but requirement from western aggression is also Russian propaganda. Stop supporting authoritarian regimes, they’re not your friend. Something the Ukrainian people have had to learn with their blood.
I did not know that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation was a Russian propaganda outlet.
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We might have figured out why you get called a tankie, friend.
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Right about what? Using whataboutism to spread russian propaganda?
Could you elaborate on the „coup“? Are you talking about the democratic elections that took place?
They probably mean Ukrainian citizens ditching a ‘democratically elected’ president who they didn’t like, because he tried to make Ukraine more Russian than European.
But that is still a democracy in work, when this is what most of citizens want. Especially when later democratic elections prove that (as it happened in Ukraine). Russia should not intervene, but they did and this destabilized the situation.
Democracy isn’t a violent street putsch forcing the elected president to flee the country.
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There was no US destabilising Ukraine, there was no coup, those are taken right from the Kremlin book of propaganda.
There were civil society protests in Ukraine in 2014 to oppose government’s withdrawal from EU talks. Ukrainian government, then backed by Russia, used brutal force against civilians while Russia “secretly” and illegally annexed Crimea (as always with them, firstly not acknowledging anything, using so called little green men, russian soldiers without proper markings, who later got medals for it).
At he same time, Russia invaded Donbas, again “secretly”, talking about “civil war”, but it was no civil war. The so called separatists were controlled by Moscow, supplied heavy weapons and even commanders by Moscow.
Eight years later, they invaded massively and openly, bz make no mistake, Russia’s attempt to destroy and landgrab Ukraine lasts way longer than that.
OP is referring to the fact that the Ukrainian parliament was cozying up to the West, as the West was trying to get it as a close trade partner, which would have circumvented Ukraine’s reliance on Russia, effectively pulling it from Russia’s shrinking sphere of influence over to the West. Also, the revolution that started the open conflict has allegedly had a lot of clandestine support from the US.
look up orange revolution, putin fanboys get paranoid of imaginary color revolutions since then
I’m quite prepared to believe the US is involved here. There are lots of weapon sales and talk of investing in the rebuild.
Follow the money
