A conservative plan forĀ Donald TrumpāsĀ potential transition into the presidency calls for dozens of prisoners to be executed, according to HuffPost. An 887-page plan by Project 2025, led by the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, says that if elected, Trump should make a concerted effort to execute the remaining 40 prisoners on death row. The sectionās author, attorney Gene Hamilton, advised that Trump ādo everything possible to obtain finalityā on the current list of people until Congress forces them to stop. Hamilton is the vice president ofĀ America Legal First, a group of former Trump lawyers bent on attacking āwokeā companies, headed by Stephen Miller. Trumpās approach to theĀ death penaltyĀ stands in stark contrast to that of PresidentĀ Joe Biden, who has openly opposed theĀ death penalty, but doneĀ littleĀ to move forward legislation to reform or abolish the practice since entering office.
For those of you not in the know Project 2025 is Republicans plan to turn the USA into an authoritarian state.
Thereās a series of detective novels Iāve been reading for years. Bernie Gunther is a WW1 veteran who joined the Berlin police force in the 1920s, and left when his Jewish boss was fired by the Nazis. Author is Philip Kerr.
In one of the novels, Bernie runs into an old cop pal and they have a drink. The cop tells Bernie that there were about 30 executions in all of Germany the year before the Nazis took over, and there have already been over 200 this year. The cop wonders how far itās going to go?
That sounds interesting as fuck, is that Berlin Noir?
Yes. Each book is a stand alone, but they do go in āhistoricalā order.
Slightly off topic. Max Allan Collins Nate Heller books are āhard boiled historicals.ā The latest "Too Many Bulletsā covers the Bobby Kennedy assassination.
Thank you! You just gave me a whole new series to dive into. Super excited.
enjoy
Are they in English?
Yes, Philip Kerr the author is English.
Looking for that now.
I want to take a break for doom news podcasts
Enjoy
I might have to check that series out. Thank you.
It actually reminds me a bit of Babylon Berlin, a German noir show which was based off the Gereon Rath series by Volker Kutscher.
Seen it. I usually hate TV shows with subtitles, but this one kept me going.
I need to watch it again, I think Iād understand it better the second time.
āShogunā has entered the chatā¦
i kid. Enjoy what you want.
Look, can we just collectively agree ā all of us who are left of center ā to work together and set our differences aside until after this election? Now really isnāt the time for us to be divided. We need to first curb stomp the fascists, so we donāt all get killed
I donāt disagreeā¦but the party-line Democrats have been telling progressives exactly that since the Clinton administration.
Again, to be clear: Iām happily voting Biden this November, but the Democratic party has become very good at doing just enough to keep their core loyal while also doing nowhere near enough to keep the country out of constant existential peril, effectively cultivating that crisis as a (pardon the pun) trump card that they then use to tell progressives āwhat you want is less important than the current crisis! Just go along with us in this election and we pinky swear to do more for your causes!ā.
They know if they move left theyāll be displaced by a combination of progressive candidates and centrists, so they have basically adopted the strategy of keeping the right just dangerous enough to be credible while keeping their left flank secured with a drip feed of snailās pace āprogressā.
Iām voting Biden, but not happily.
None of us really are.
Israel-Gaza conflict asideā¦what makes you unhappy about voting for him?
I have to admit that I wasnāt thrilled about voting for him in 2020, but I also have to admit that in the intervening years he has at the very least met my expectations in most areas, and shockingly, heās exceeded them in a few areas.
As I get older, Iāve learned from experience to temper my expectations in a president, and with those adjusted expectations, I am surprised to find myself feeling better about voting for Biden in 2024 than I did four years ago.
I can sum it up in one word: age.
Look, Iām no spring chicken. My age starts with a 4 now, and it seems the age gap between me and the age of the president hasnāt changed.
Iām just tired of geriatrics running the country.
Same here. I was not wild about him, and figured heād be even more right of center than Obama was. Turns out to not be the case on quite a few fronts.
Iām overall happy with Biden except for Afghanistan and Gaza. Given the cards he was dealt with, he seems to be doing an ok job.
Afghanistan was mostly Trump.
In what way? He established an agreement that the Taliban violated, thereby making it void.
This is what I was referring to mostly:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/u-s-review-of-chaotic-afghanistan-withdrawal-blames-trump
Taliban are the best government for Afghanistan, you know why? Because democracy failed, socialism failed, liberalism failed. Realistically, the Taliban are the ones who can run a government in that region. We know the US couldnāt.
I canāt really disagree with you. The issue is we have reached the actual point where the current crisis dwarfs all others. Maybe I was just younger then, but it didnāt feel like we had such existential threats in the Bush and Obama years. I remember people said that Romney winning would be the apocalypse, but itās laughable to say that wouldāve been the case in hindsight.
I think what we can take heart in is that weāve been seeing a gradual increase in progressiveness in the party. And not just a small constant increase, but a significantly growing one. There are a nontrivial number of Congressional members who are incredibly progressive, and theyāve shifted the mood of the party notably leftward. The Inflation Reduction Act was a historic level of climate spending, to the point that Europe felt pressured to pass similar legislation. And the IRA actually closed the corporate tax loophole too ā large corporations raking in billions in profits now have to pay a minimum 15%, even if they could previously loophole their way to $0.
I wish things were faster. Gaza in particular has highlighted to me just how frustrating it is for things to only improve at a snailās pace. And specifically with Gaza, I donāt think the progress is actually amounting to material changes.
We are seeing material changes in other areas though. Healthcare could be a hell of a lot better, but as someone who relied on Obamacare for a few years, things have actually improved for people. The important thing is that we donāt lose heart, and that we keep pushing for better. The US has a rich history of leftists persevering to accomplish womenās suffrage, civil rights, labor rights, and gay rights and equality. As long as we press forward, just like they did, weāll be successful. The arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice and good.
If we could just bury the fascists for good, we could start to make serious progress.
Left of center? You mean left from totally bonkers actual Fascistsā¦
Weāre gonna need a bigger tent
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Pretty much. This is going to keep cropping up until we deal a decisive loss to fascism. They need to be beaten by huge margins.
Huge accumulations of capital are incompatible with democratic governance.
Thatās the issue we are not willing to solve.
Fascists are simply people passionate about infinite capital accumulations. The fascists protect the billionaires by channelling the populist economic discontent toward all manner of scapegoat issues.
If you donāt like fascism you must work to outlaw, and make culturally unacceptable, extreme wealth accumulations.
https://www.philosophersbeard.org/2012/04/what-to-do-about-rich.html
More like 2004 part 6
They actually stole the 2000 election and have come full circle to screaming about the Dems stealing 2020, projection as per usual.
The post headline is very dramatic but it just implies executing death row inmates not every American in existence.
If you are participating in the two party system, youāre either supporting or enabling fascism.
The far left calls anyone right of far left- fascistsā¦ so no, they have no intention to work together. Theyāre so far left that theyāve completely circled around into right wing lunacy.
Ah yes, theyāre so intense about fighting capitalist oppression theyāve circled around toā¦ checks notes defending police brutality and advocating for the further privatisation of every public good and dismantling all worker protections.
The difference between āeat the richā and āfeed the richā is really just one syllable, right? Almost negligible.
(Also, no, they donāt call everyone fascist. They just donāt think being liberal is enough for change, when the āliberalsā of the US have a history of complaining about the things they donāt stop the regressives from doing. Thereās a difference between calling people ānaive and spinelessā and āactively pursuing oppressionā.)
I will say that there is a marked and growing distain for mixed liberal ideologies. There is a lot of this idea that every socialist needs to be some kind of pure strain to count or take basically the Marxist definition as the only viable one. It kind of ignores a couple of centuries of Socialist thought. A lot of people basically think āmeans of productionā means nothing less than everyone working in a co-op and discounts a lot of past socialist wins as ānot socialismā. Itās an important thing to remember about Marx, the world he lived in was very different. Damn near everything at the time was privatized. Water, sanitation, post, fire service, public health and public health regulatory bodiesā¦ None of that existed under the perview of Government auspice. Socialist strains more to the legacy of Robert Owens, Daniel De Leon, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and other ethical socialists have had significant wins. Some places took it further than others but the one thing that was allowed to happen in a lot of places was complacency. The 1980ās and 90ās created a liberal fervor that has continued to walk back a lot of significant wins made by the Socialist movements of the early 1900ās and the civil rights movementsā¦ But because a lot of the functions of Socialist wins have become the air we breathe people do not associate them with socialism anymore. The issue with peaceful integration is that private gains are always incentivized so complacency cannot be afforded.
It seems weirdly controversial but Non-Marxist socialists exist. Marx was one very popular voice in a sea of people with somewhat related but sometimes contradictory ideas. Some philosophers have been retro-branded as proto-socialists because they existed before Marx who just coined the term. Looking at his contemporaries thereās good reason why he became popular. A lot of what was out there was much drier, committed to peaceful reform. It didnāt tap into peopleās anger or emotion in the same way. Right now we deal with a lot of that issue on the left. It is an old struggle. People who are bombastically angry and turning around and biting people for not being āenoughā of something. Not fitting a narrow definition. Half my issue with Communist parties I have looked at joining is they arenāt great at being collaborative. Increasingly I have found the argument around ācentrismā to stop meaning āpeople who support the basic status quoā which it seemed to have evolved to being interpretable as for a minuteā¦ To a more worrying definition about anyone willing to work across any ideological lines set down by the one guy people bothered to read.
This use of ācentrismā as though itās a plotable point on a map seems to me a worrying fiction. The post moves to create division and self satisfaction where none need exist.
You buy into pretty much the same propaganda, and are equally as dangerous to democracyā¦ so-
Yeah. Youāre pretty much the same where it actually matters. The rest of it is irrelevant.
Dangerous to democracy? Whereād you get that idea? Iām not the one trying to install an authoritarian plutocracy.
Iām a staunch believer in educated democracy, but that requires education in the first place. Education regressives have been undermining forever, because it would inform the people of their actual democratic power.
where it actually matters
Which would be? What, in your opinion, actually matters?
My priority is a sustainable and enjoyable future. One where you can grow old without worrying about our pension or affording medical care. One where you no longer pay a cut of your work to a person just becaude theyāre rich already. One where you can do the job you love without worrying about how well it pays or whether youāll get fired.
The Liberals keep bartering for compromise instead of progress, gradually ceding ground to the Conservatives. The spoiler effect means an actually progressive third party has no chance and risks handing power to the regressives by splitting the vote. Because all the Liberals have to do is ābe less badā, you get the choice between right-of-center and far right. This isnāt democracy, itās slowly dismantling it.
Iāll take the Liberals, because theyāre āless badā, but itās not a solution. Itās buying time in the hope that we can actually fix the underlying issues.
I disagree. Iāve met plenty of people who are far left and are all in on working together to stop Trump. Donāt be swayed by the terminally online, vocal āleftistsā. We donāt know if theyāre even genuine people, and theyāre assuredly the minority.
I donāt want to be judged based on a false stereotype, and I donāt think we should judge them on a false stereotype either. The far left is antithetical to Trump.
Iād love to believe that is the case, and Iāve no reason to not believe you, but unfortunately- the online representation of the far left is the vocal one. And there are a lot of them. This situation gets helped when you and the ones you represent join the rest of us in standing them down.
Iāve never seen any leftist vs. leftist conversation. And it would go a long way in warming the waters regarding public opinion.
No they havenāt, and youāre likely just one of them new Russian AI disinformation bots anyway
Oh the irony. In your defense of your little group being attacked, you cast aspersions at me in the exact same manner.
Basicallyā¦. āNo Iām not! YOU are!ā
And you wonder why it seems everyone thinks youāre a joke here.
They want blood. No matter the route. If I can ask anything of my fellow liberals is that you arm yourselfs. Iām not saying we take to the streets with weapons. Iām saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
When the nazis came to power, they forcibly took away the guns of their victims. Theyād send a squad of SS to your house, surround it, and force you to give up the gun. If you didnāt, theyād kill you, if you did, they still got you in the end.
Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didnāt survive.
If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.
The first thing the nazis did, was purge the bureaucracy. Taking away guns was no concern, at all.
Privately owned guns played no significant role in the nazisā rise to or hold on power. Anything else is simply marketing by american gun sellers.
Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didnāt survive.
About 10-15,000 jewish germans survived the holocaust by going underground in Germany. They were colloquially called U-Boote or Illegale. Of course, that has nothing to do with guns. Guns were, after all, handed out to any able-bodied male.
If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.
That is only partly true. Germans are only a small fraction of holocaust victims (<5%). The victims overwhelmingly came from eastern Europe, particularly Poland and the Soviet Union. The holocaust happened in the wake of the advancing Wehrmacht. A more far-sighted response to german war preparations would have made a difference. A lesson one must bear in mind in todayās world.
Yeah, itās a fucking joke to assume that guns are a hedge against fascism. Theyāll take your guns or shoot you. Maybe thereās some protection in being an organised group in the moment, but if they want to get you theyāll get you.
Ruby ridge.
Whilst members of the Weaver family were illegally killed by the government at Ruby Ridge, whatās less known is that Randy Weaver was hanging out with people from the Aryan Nation movement, and a believer in the Posse Comitatus theory of law.
It was White Nationalists that later erased these facts to promote the Weaverās story as they (rightly) believed it would inspire others into their life style.
Timothy McVeigh cited the story as one of the reasons for his bombing of a federal government building and its daycare centre.
Oh I certainly wasnāt defending him or the white supremacist community he was a part of.
I was also tempted to mention Wako and the Davidians.
My point was, no matter how many guns you have, the machine will always win in a gun fight.
Part of the reason the Nazis didnt face too much resistance is because a possible major for of resistance got purged before their rise. The Spartacists got purged pretty thoroughly by the Freikorps who also used it as an excuse to purge other similar groups.
Also guns would be one of many different tools in such a resistance scenario, alongside things like car bombs and just stabbing people. Its just convenient to have a long range weapon that requires little training, mind you stealing a gun or manufacturing one would also be viable i guess.
There will be insanity if heās allowed to run at all.
There should be no way for people to participate in a democracy they have attempted to overthrow, and these fuckers are absolutely going to try again. It will be a shitshow. I hope the US justice system comes through, but it will be a very dangerous time for America if Trump and his cronies are not prosecuted for their crimes before the next election.
I have some bad news.
Even if Trump gets prosecuted for 1/6 before the election, there is ZERO chance itās completed before the election. There will be appeals carrying it on for YEARS.
That being said too, thereās nothing in the charges that would disqualify him on conviction. There SHOULD BE, but there isnāt.
Ideally Iād like to see Congress get their shit together and get a Constitutional amendment that says āConvicted felons are inelligibleā.
That would solve the problem right there. Convict him in the Stormy Daniels case, problem solved.
No, I donāt think it would be good to strip felons of their ability to be president. People who protest too hard can get felonies. People who steal too many diapers and infant formula for their kids ($2k worth, which is lower threshold every year due to inflation) can get felonies. The felony system is deeply corrupt. We should restore felonās right to vote.
We need to fix the issues that elect someone deeply unpopular like Trump in the first place - like gerrymandering and uneven delegates. A vote should just be a vote. We should have approval voting (similar to ranked choice). More fascism isnāt the answer.
Word? Do tell, what will happen if you donāt get your way? Make sure itās actual information, per rule #4, misinformation is a bannable offense.
we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
We should also all be prepared for the absolute insanity that will ensue if he loses. I fear we will have a more violent insurrection this time around and maybe even local violence in some areas.
Nah, without control of the levers of government theyāre just terrorists. Donāt forget that the government was well warned about Jan 6, and Trumpās team actively suppressed preparation and response. Itās not going to be the same if Biden is in office.
There will be no local violence. His supporters are riding rascals through Walmart, the few that could participate will turn and run when shit gets real, just like 1/6
Iām not saying we take to the streets with weapons
Then youāre doing nothing but shilling for the gun lobby, who immediately donate millions to the worst Republicans.
If youāre going to advocate guns, you should be willing to tell people what to use them for.
I mean thatās a pretty stupid thing to say considering everyone knows youāll get your comment removed and probably also your account banned for explaining what should actually be done, what should actually be being done, right now. Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen, but by then theyāll have pulled the plug on the internet anywayā¦
Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen
Itās a federated platform, if you feel like the mods are standing in the way then leave to another instance.
What a joke you are. Are we actually supposed to pretend your guns are more than cosplay props when youāre not even willing to risk being banned from anonymous social media to advocate your cause?
Well Iām not scared of being banned, so take your guns and your pro-gun astroturfing and fuck off.
A highly public series of rapid-fire executions gives Trump some very immediate media āwinsā.
And when you review the list of death row inmates its easy to see how conservatives can twist any objection to execution as endorsement of police slayings, carjackings, kidnappings, and child murder.
Right-wing news will have a field day announcing āDaniel Troya, the man who murdered an entire family in cold blood JUST GOT HIS DAY OF JUSTICE!ā with swooping infographics and blaring trumpets. Drag on some Project Veritas stooge with B-roll footage of a crying pink haired college kid and topping it off with āWOKE LIBERALS ARE SO OWNED!ā and youāll have a fascist feeding frenzy.
Iām saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
Real Helms Deep Hours.
He wonāt win.
execute death row inmates
= arm yourselves!
Americans are so silly, youāll never outgun the US military
You ever heard of guerilla tactics? An authoritarian army doesnāt need to be out gunned to have a really bad time
You ever heard of guerilla tactics?
The country of Vietnam lost millions of its people to push out some 50-60k US soldiers. Quite a few of them died in hideous fashion. Burned alive by napalm. Poisoned by nerve gas. Tied up and thrown in a ditch, then buried alive. Tortured in prison camps for weeks, before succumbing.
Weāre seeing the same shit play out in Palestine, under the Israeli occupation. Nightmarish brutality inflicted on insurgents, on neighborhoods where those insurgents lived, on friends and family with even the most tangential relationship to the insurgency. On people a thousand miles away who show the most pacifist support for human rights.
Can a guerrilla war win? Sure. Over 15-30 years, a persistent armed resistance can potentially overcome the cost-constrained and geographically removed military occupation. Will you live to see the end? Ho Chi Min didnāt. Sitting Bull didnāt. Che Guevera didnāt.
Arguing for terrorism, while noble, doesnāt correlate with ābuy some guns and sit aroundā
The idea of tactics also requires related knowledge and planning that you donāt learn from buying guns
Reallyā¦ weāre doing this stupid chit again?
This is actually the incarnation of āDefending the Free Stateā IMO. To be clear, the right to bear arms does not mean you get to attack and overthrow the government, but to defend yourself (along with other states) against any state trying to impose tyranny. The federalist papers posited this (no theyāre not law, and they certainly have other issues) and IMO it makes sense, even if it is a view shaped in a time that no longer exists.
Late edit: you donāt get to attack and overthrow the government because you find some policy inconvenient or irritating personally. Tyranny I think is pretty specific, and has nothing to do with government trying to push things like saving life on earth, incentivizing electric vehicles, someone asking for a different name than their birth gender, or trying to protect kids and everyone else from random or other actors with firearms intent on mass death.
Sorry, best we can do is pearl-clutching ourselves into banning everything.
Jesus: donāt abort those fetuses because life begins at conception.
Also Jesus: fuck these adults, let them fry.
Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.
You frame it as a contradiction, but this is very nakedly the nature of a patriarchal theocracy.
Thereās no real conflict between the view of a dictatorial Israeli King as someone who treats woman as chattel and endorses state execution of prisoners. This is all over the old testament and common enough in the New Testament Letters from Paul not to be remarkable.
Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.
Theyāre deadly serious. Itās the 1980s all over again, folks.
I grew up JW, and all the scriptures used to fight against abortion are in the first half of the Bible, before Jesus is involved. To quote a certain former Trump stafferā¦
Jesus aināt say that.
Jesus is an extension of the Christian God so their god says it all.
Most Christian denominations do believe that to some extent, though some (including my example) view them as strictly different beings, with only 1 true God. They view Jesus as next in the hierarchy but still below capital G God, and view the Holy Spirit as just a tool, like say The Force.
I guess thereās no point arguing for any logic in their religion when they just make it whatever they want lol. But strictly speaking, their god is also Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Kind of what the holy trinity is all about.
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My plan only calls for one execution if Trump wins.
Trump?
Donald Schmuck
Oh this is a non-story. Look, if trump gets in, thereāll be plenty of killing. Enough for everyone. Heās got it all figured out.
they strayed so far from what conservatism actually is. itās ridiculous.
Conservatism at its core is ājustā wanting to keep the status quo. Which itself is imho already pointless, but itās not too bad.
It however, is not reactionary.
These people are reactionary to the mediaeval extent. But we preach to the choir. Try getting those people who themselves believe in those ideas, that they donāt workā¦
Conservatism is a reaction to progress. Itās inherently reactionary.
The status quo when the term was popularized was a hierarchical society of have and have-nots. If we ever develop a truly egalitarian society rest assured, conservatives will be looking to roll back to what they perceive as the ānaturalā order.
Back to tribalism, essentially.
And not only is it in fact inherently reactionary, but there is a personality type associated with it which is low in tolerance for ambiguity, shockingly low in creativity, and high in reactivity. So basically angry, violent, decorticate monkeys.
(To be ādecorticateā is to have had your prefrontal cortex cut out, if youāre wondering.)
I thought this too. Current events spurred me to look at history for context. Quoting Ed Abbey; āNeoconservative? Theres nothing new about it, its old as time and evil as hell.ā
From what they claim conservatism actually is.
Just getting ready to open the ovens.
(The GOP really really wants ovens )
Remember this when certain bad actors post their propaganda here about how bad Biden will be for a second term. Remind them of this when they post that bullshit.
Call them out.
And vote for your lives.
As soon as I read the headline I knew Baby Goebbels was involved.
They also plan on killing dozens if he loses. A non-story indeed.
Difference is, theyāll have much more capability if he wins.
Dozens? Surely a lot more than that. He was pretty enthused when it seemed like his political opponents were going to die, last time around; heās just too timid and thick to be able to make it happen through his own volition. In a next time around I think a lot of the guard rails that stopped it from happening would be removed.
Letās be real, they START by executing prisoners Pretty soon anything but their political party & their religion is made illegal so anyone daring to say otherwise gets arrested / imprisoned / executed.
The first thing Nazis did was make other political parties illegal. That and they came for trans people
Letās be real, they START by executing prisoners Pretty soon anything but their political party & their religion is made illegal so anyone daring to say otherwise gets arrested / imprisoned / executed.
I mean they openly spoke about this on CPAC. Project 2025 sounds like a conspiracy theory, but itās not a theory, itās right out there in the open.
This is why itās especially irritating when the bothsiderists go on with the #BidenSoOld stuff, or the tankies go on with the #GenocideJoe thing, or the handwringing over whether journalists should side with democracy and so on.
This stuff is right out in the open. Do bothsiderists, tankies or journalists think theyāll be safe under this kind of thing?
Yeah I definitely get that. I also get why people donāt like Biden. He really oughtnāt be president, neither of them ought be candidates, but when the option is between him and Trump, going with Biden is a no-brainer. Trump is literally working to dismantle democracy. He doesnāt want people to have a choice, and the choice that you Americans face is laughable as it is.
They are even sicker than most people imagine.
