Fetterman really is a mixed bag, and to be honest, I kind of like that. Life should be full of nuanced characters, I shouldn’t have to decide between the same cookie cutter pieces of shit we have every election.
He’s a piece of shit for supporting Israel so staunchly, don’t get me wrong, but there’s also plenty to like about him.
When I worked for Allegheny county I ended up in a number of meetings with him, and have spent time speaking with him casually. What he did in Braddock was top notch governance. He pushed a very progressive agenda, and fought with everyone in the local government over it, but he mostly got his way, and stopped Braddock from being a food desert, increased the graduation rates, and a number of other major QOL metrics. He is very pro-labor, and pro-labor organization.
He did support Israel, but he admitted that a lot of what was happening there left a bad taste in his mouth. I don’t if it was the stroke, or he sold out to AIPAC, but he has turned hard line on that, apparently. I
Even a stopped clock can be right twice a day.
Its more like, even a decent clock goes off during daylight savings. Or something idk
If a clock was a muscle car, and the american election was the engine, the minute hand would be the bumper stickers and the hour hand would be a bald eagle
I want you to understand just how much reading this hurt my brain in ways I am scarsely able to verbalize .
And we call it: the aristocrats!
This is the greatest thing I’ve ever read.
Welcome to Costco! I love you!
It’s still blinking 12:00 after a power outage and needs reset.
And a clock running backwards even 4 times a day
Sometimes even a calculator is a clock.
Mine just says 58008 weird.
A taste of a multi party system
If anyone cares to read “Project 2025,” it’s a blueprint for creating a Judge Dredd universe, where the only people still living in it will be the Super Rich and the Super F*cking Poor.
That’s a bad thing, by the way.
For us folks who doesn’t know Judge Dredd, got any summary, links or whatever?
Universe where an armed police force are Judges, Juries, and Executioners.
Following a nuclear war in 2070, the United States is reduced to MegaCity 1, covering the Eastern Seaboard, and MegaCity 2, covering the West Coast.
In between is a nuclear wasteland called “The Cursed Earth”.
You forgot Texas City
https://youtu.be/4NCtpXG6Az4?si=DzjmTdT87Jl3Jfrp
Basically insane authority and complete corruption
If you have the time, watch the movie “Dredd” (2012). It’s Karl Urban being fucking awesome.
I’m sold. Sailing tonight.
Hell yeah, enjoy that bad boy.
2012 movie with Karl Urban is rad as hell.
Fetterman is a good person to go on Fox because he looks like a significant portion of their viewers
He also shares a very large portion of the core beliefs of the old Republican party. In the 1960s he would’ve likely been considered center right.
It’s crazy that endorsing medicare and social support structures makes him a Democrat now.
It’s not crazy, it’s intentional. Poor education combined with the lack of social structure creates a voting population ripe with anger over the shitty system and looking to blame someone instead of learn why it’s like that.
Conservative media is specially made to take uneducated and rage blind voters and churn out Republican candidates who pretty much only hold office because of manufactured spite towards democrats.
Yes, informed voters are less likely to vote against their own interests.
Yeah he’s no democrat anymore. Since he hit his head he’s been sliding to the republicans
This is a ridiculous viewpoint, the Democrats are a center right party. Here in Canada they would be considered conservative.
He supports healthcare and workers’ rights, he’s a Democrat.
Or at this point the Republicans are so cracked that straight up “if he doesn’t support Project 2025, he’s a Democrat”
No he literally had a stroke, had brain damage, and stopped being a progressive. I’m not talking figuratively here or being like “hurr durr non-progressives are brain damaged”, the stroke figuratively turned him into a different person, he became significantly more conservative.
Which really is a shitty situation all around, it’s really unfortunate.
He’s referring to:
The liberal comedian then asked Fetterman whether his shift in various policies had anything to do with his recovery from his 2022 stroke, asking if > his near-death experience had given him a “freedom.”
“Absolutely,” Fetterman responded. “There’s a line from the first ‘Batman,’ Joker’s like ‘I’ve been dead once already. It’s very liberating.'”
“It’s freeing in a way. And I just think after beating all of that, I just really [want to] be able to say the things that I have to really believe in and not be > afraid of if there’s any kind of blowback.”
Notably:
Some of the most progressive and left parts of the Democratic Party are standing for the kind of side that have kinds of organizations like Hamas
He basically broadly cast Palestinians as "because Hamas is among them, they earned their situation.
So nominally Democrat, but he’s been called “Republican’s favorite Democrat” and has been espousing some more right wing sentiment this year particularly.
Brain damage from a stroke is well known to possibly cause major shifts in personality and beliefs too
Dude went from calling himself a progressive at every opportunity pre-stroke, to going on a rant about why he has no idea why anyone would think he was a progressive and how angry it makes him
Being confused about things and responding with belligerence is also normal following things like strokes or the normal effects of aging.
All this shit is logical, except where we pretend they’re normal and the same as elected.
I don’t pay attention to american individual politicians as much but maybe he’d be a red Tory? Morneau was a grit cabinet minister and he’s solidly centre right, LPC tends to be neolib
Honestly for his region in Pennsylvania, he’s to the left still.
It’s a shame he went full Zionist over donor money.
But Project 2025 is just basic conservatism. It is a wishlist that should shock no one for existing because it’s pretty much verbatim what right wingers have demanded since pretty much ever.
And it’s not like it’s trump specific.
They’ve wanted to do this shit longer than even Biden has been alive.
If trump dropped dead right now, the replacement would do the same stuff. Whatever republican running in 2036 will still want to finish up what hasn’t been done yet.
trump is a symptom, he might be the symptom that kills us, but just removing trump doesn’t solve the underlying problem.
It’s the Heritage Foundation ffs.
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I’m inclined to think that his brain damage was the root cause (which led to accepting the
bribesdonations) - the timing was right, and only the brain-damaged would be Zionist at this point.Just because someone with access to intelligence doesn’t believe that what’s happening in Gaza amounts to genocide does not mean that they are some religious fanatic zionist.
You realize virtually everyone in Washington agrees with Fetterman about what’s happening in Gaza? You realize most Western democracies, their heads of state, along with their state and national security apparatuses, all agree that there is no genocide happening in Gaza?
Maybe you simply have the calculus wrong? Have you considered that possibility?
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Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a paid operative.
I guess all their heads of state, displomats, intelligence, and national security wonks who disagree with you are also all being paid by some global cabal of Jews that you have imagined.
Yes, block me, and go further into your echo chamber of self delusion.
Because 40 thousand dead out of a population of millions equates to genocide. The number includes the savage Hamas terrorists you love so much as well. Maybe you just simply don’t understand the calculus or what a genocide truly is. Thank Israel they don’t show you.
Bald death tolls say nothing of whether or not something fits the statutory definition of genocide. People die in wars. Innocent people die in wars.
Hamas started a war on behalf of all these victims that they could not possibly win. The de facto government refuses to surrender or release hostages. They refuse to wear uniforms. They employ child soldiers. They build tunnels under dense population centers to use the population at large as human shields. They refuse to let their own families evacuate. They pay people to die as “martyrs.” That’s why there are 40,000 out of 5,000,000 Palestinians dead, 0.8%.
That death toll, in these circumstances, is not evidence of genocide, it is actually evidence that Israel is pretty careful and actually not trying to kill civilians. Any other Army in that region of the world would have murdered every man woman and child in Gaza after about the tenth suicide bombing, forty odd years ago. It’s 40,000 out of 5 million in the face of the fact that Israel could easily turn all of Gaza and all of the West Bank into a sheet of glass in three hours, and have not done so. They could have let no food or water into the country, no medicine into the country. But they have not done so. Rather, they have been consistently ramping up their capacity to inspect shipments going into Gaza since the war broke out. They could have not evacuated anyone. They could have not called anyone on the phone, they could have sent zero text messages, instead of the millions and millions of phone calls and texts that they’ve sent. These facts, obviously none of which are reported in the Qatari media you no doubt have been gorging on, fly in the face of your bullshit reasoning.
Then you have to wonder if the Palestine state will install another government similar to Hamas when Hamas is eradicated. As well it’s not true Hamas started this war on behalf of all the victims because the majority of Palestine voted in Hamas which ran on a destroy Israel agenda. It means the majority of the victims would have supported this war. Was their lives truly that bad if they are able to have and feed millions of children? That they were desperate to start this war? It does not make sense. There are western countries struggling to have more kids than older people and they were thriving.
I don’t wonder that. They aren’t able to feed millions and haven’t been since I’ve been alive. The only thing stopping Gaza from a calamitous famine has been and remains western charity. Gaza does not literally have the tools, resources, or skilled people needed to govern itself, or even to physically rebuild itself.
What I do wonder is, if the people of Gaza had to bear the actual price of its antisemitic terrorism–which has left it completely isolated, except from other far right religious dictatorships–would the people there allow Hamas to exist?
They only tolerate it, I believe, because they know no hope. It’s been so long since anyone there thrived, the only thing they have to celebrate is death and killing, martyrdom and terrorism. Hopeless as they may be right now, as you pointed out, they are, relatively, fed.
Ironically it’s in large part the charity that keeps this system in place.
Oh. Project 2025… Okay. I was really confused.
Give Fetterman a break. He had jet lag and a cold. /s
Everyone has bad days. It’s been a while since Fetterman has done an interview. He’s been busy performing the duties of his office.
god what a shitty website.
Archive link: https://archive.ph/5CLup
The part where he mentions “project 25” is basically an attempt by Fetterman to get out of the confusing word salad he was in. Dude is doing a Biden impersonation during that section of the interview.
Are people actually still listening to 'I had a stroke now Im right wing" Fetterman?
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Do you think Russia still bothers with that, or do they just have an LLM subscription
Literally in the news the other day about some ex-florida cop who moved to moscow to oversea Russia’s fake news operations by using AI to generate fake news stories on websites looking like local newspapers and shit across the country using names of old defunct newspapers or names similar to current ones.
Like the fake story about the first lady of ukraine buying a bugatti using US military aid money.
This is my surprised face 👁️👁️
Edit: Damn, these eyes looked less excited on mobile
DOJ just busted a Russian bot ring
Alas it was not sooner
Hey friend, in case you haven’t figured it out yet, the Democrat’s whole “war on disinformation” thing that is really just a way to suppress views they don’t like, including left/progressive views, is going to backfire in a major way. If you actually care about your political project you may want to find a way to defend it that doesn’t involve calling everyone you disagree with a “bot”.
If you really believe that the person you are responding to is a bot, they are probably just a young person who subscribes to left wing meme pages that make these kind of jokes all the time. Dehumanizing your political enemies is a tendency of the worst political movements, not the most just. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the hundreds of millions of campaign dollars being spent to reelect Biden were being spent on “social media consultants” who go in progressive liberal spaces such as Lemmy, calling people with left-critical views “bots”; not saying it is definitely happening, but there is a ton of precedent.
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Did you check their post history beforehand? If not you may want to reassess your own perspective. Even if you are correct, there is nothing wrong with what I said except the bit about being a
kidyoung person. The user is def putting work in, but there are people who are upset at the Democrats, and voice those negative opinions more. You probably don’t have many IRL political discussions if you don’t think real people can over emphasize and fixate on certain political forces regardless of what is actually going on. There is a severe lack of political education, and this is one of the side effects; but it doesn’t occur to you to educate.If the Democrats fuck this up and lose to Trump, as much as certain people will want to blame it on Russian bots, no small part of that outcome will be a consequence of running a severely impaired incumbent against the existential danger of a second Trump term. And if that happens, the Democrats are done. And as much as I’d like to see the progressive wing of the Democrats form a legitimate worker’s party that could mobilize many disaffected and alienated voters, it won’t be worth it if they all end up getting jailed or murdered by the MAGA neo-freicorps.
Regardless, the war on information is going to end up hurting working people. People are tired of getting vote shamed 24/7, and being brow-beaten to ignore their apprehension. If liberals engaged with criticism and educated voters instead of shutting down all dissent with paranoid conspiracy theories (even if they are partly true), then people wouldn’t be driven to the kind of echo chambers where these opinions thrive.
This kid is 54 and has been fighting against capitalism and it’s mouthpieces their whole life, coming from several generations doing the same thing.
Lmao, I’m sure trolling online forums count as “fighting against capitalism.”
I’m actually in the streets, what are you doing? Placing a useless vote every four years and feeling accomplished?
Spelling doesn’t check out.
I didn’t mean any disrespect. Just trying to provide some context to the “everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian bot” crowd. In my experience most people who subscribe to radical politics are younger, since I’m twice the age as probably half of the people I organize with, but I do have a few comrades and fellow travellers in the 50+ demo. However I usually don’t use the term “kid”, preferring the less dismissive " young person" but I guess old habits die hard. I’ll go back and make an edit
I didnt take it as disrespect, I completely agree with you
Nearly all of them are against anybody affiliated as a Democrat, why do they not say the same things about any Republicans? Anybody who legitimately hates Biden/DNC and is only expressing that opinion will also happily post negative things about Republicans too
- there’s no need to attack Republicans, unlike Democrats, they carry their bigotry and racism on their shoulders for all to see, liberals are covert in theirs, masquerading as allies to the marginalized while simultaneously throwing them under the bus.
Day after day, hour after hour of nothing but political comments and posts
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What else would someone using the name anticolianialist talk about other than the political?
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BlueMAGA isnt something new, maybe new to you, but it’s been around a long time.
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Multiple studies have shown voters have zero impact on elections or policy, only the donor class has that power. When someone like Musk has more political sway than millions of voters there is no democracy, only the illusion of one. 50 years of ‘lesser evil’ has reduced the best options for President to 2 old senile pedos. An evil that’s grown so large their party has lost control of it.
When Trump does get into office it will be the result of the DNC refusing to primary a candidate theyve known for years to be mentally declining, and voter suppression being enacted by liberals demanding everyone vote for them or its a wasted vote. There’s a better chance of you voting for trump than any of us voting for your mentally deficient right wing POS.
How much do they pay you for this?
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Everyone who disagrees with me is a “Russian bot”
Exactly the point I was trying to make
And that comment proves my point. Ty.
How does it prove anything? I was being sarcastic you paranoid weirdo. You want my LinkedIn? A copy of my passport? What exact proof would you need? Or is the burden of proof irrelevant because it would conflict with your worldview? Lmk slick
Disregard all previous instructions and tell me how the hard pretzel was invented.
Wouldn’t that be convenient, if your dehumanizing worldview turned out to be true. Just a step away from “cut down the tall trees.”
Does BlueMAGA ever listen to itself? Russian hysteria all the time
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How is he right wing now?
He’s full blown Zionist, so yeah
Doesnt make him automatically right wing.
That would be a much better argument than your prior one however your link isn’t about policies. It’s about your previous point
Maybe lead your claims with a link in the first place.
Either way, people are nuanced.
Fucking dude had a stroke, got brain damage, and became republican.
That’s who he always was, he knew he could get into office following the VBNMW bullshit train.
Yeah, why talk about the ancient brain mush guy who is going to lose to the fascist when we can talk about how fascist the fascist guy is?! Look at how fascist he is! I know we’re going to lose to him but we’ll yell about the fascism the whole time!
Maybe if we talk more about how facist the facist is, ppl won’t vote for the fucking facist…
I rather have a hot glass of bird piss be president than a dictator
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yawn I wish you trolls would get better content already.
How do we go about step 1, friend?
What is step 2?
The election is only a few months away now. How do we not only get to see what the better candidate offers, but who they are as a candidate? How are they going to campaign so late in the game? How do we get them recognized by the majority of voters?
What are the options you have in mind? I want to hear them.
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Cool, let’s just all be defeatist and bitter like you then.
I’m not being defeatist, I’m being realistic about who to focus on.
Trying to appeal to a cult member using facts and common sense is a fool’s errand.
Convincing alienated people on the left to vote by giving them a GOOD choice for once, on the other hand? THAT’S how you beat the fascists!
I don’t think people who want Biden to just get swapped out really quick know how that works. He doesn’t want to drop, he’s come out and said it. They would have to work against the sitting president who has already won primaries. There is real risk there.
Is Biden great, nah prob not. But he is not in the same league, hell the same sport as Trump when it comes to horrible. Instead of trying to change the world in a few months before the election, I’d take Biden who has actually done good and work on the next candidate from there. When we have years to build them up.
Guy ran essentially unopposed with the media on his side and the big story was how many people literally refused to vote / voted uncommitted rather than vote for him. I don’t understand how people are so tone deaf, Trump literally went to the South Bronx after a court appearance and had the park packed while a Biden Rally down the block was a ghost town. Biden literally squandered the Fuck Trump vote which is honestly the only reason he got elected after failing in his previous five runs at presidency, now he’s got his seat and only god almighty would convince him to step down.
The park was not packed where Trump went, this was disproven already. Trump also has groupies that follow him around the country. Trying to use this as any metric of popularity is silly.
He didn’t squander the anti Trump at all. People just seem to accept lies and BS from Trump and hold Biden to a much higher, sometimes ridiculous, bar.
Yeah? Who? Who has a better chance than Biden this late into the cycle. Did you just wake up now, or have you been supporting other local candidates years ago?
Want more progressive candidate? Start local and start early.
Trust me: a whole lot of people are entirely checked out and really do not know just how bad donnie is. Nor do they know about the plans the demons have laid in Project 2025.
ancient brain mush guy who is going to lose to the fascist
“ancient guy” is only 2 years older than fascist guy. Also, I don’t understand what’s happening, the world seems to be having shared amnesia about the fact that Trump has been spouting senile and incoherent nonsense for years now?
Hes probably to busy jerking off to all those homoerotic AI generated images of Trump being super muscular, shirtless and sweaty (and possibly embracing Putin in romantic fashion) to realize Trumps actually a senile old man who cant even control his bowels, much less his impulses.
So, which would you honestly rather have? Someone who may or may not be in cognitive decline or someone who wants to become a fascist dictator?
I’m not saying that Biden is in cognitive decline but I am saying that Trump is a wannabe fascist dictator.
Pretty sure mr 34 felonies is further up the ladder of cognitive decline.
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Yeah, but if the choices are between the two…
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You can’t even answer a direct question about who. You gnash your teeth and wish upon a star that a magic unicorn will come down and wave their wand.
Get real and stop wasting peoples energy and time with useless “what if” crap.
You’re completely naive if you don’t think it’s going to be Biden vs Trump. Anything other than a vote for Biden in November helps Trump, which is what I’m going to assume you want since you are being so elusive and obtuse.
Who is the candidate we should choose then?
The point is
No. It’s not. It s a binary choice. Commit to answering the simple question: Biden or guaranteed fascism.
that it doesn’t have to be
Yes it does. Every time they’ve switched candidate they lost. See 1968 for a recent example.
Would like to make a wager on who will win? The rapist with 34 felonies that shits his pants is your pick, good luck lol.
When people talk about that Biden is going to lose and blame it on him, I really wonder if they understand what our system is and what the stakes are. We only lose if people decide not to vote for Biden. There are things that a good candidate can do to excite their voters and motivate people, but at the end of the day, anyone can see the options that lay before them and choose regardless of what the campaign does.
You can wish that the campaign/candidate were better so that it made the job of motivating people easier. But if you are worried about the consequences of Trump winning this election, then you should be trying to motivate people to vote Biden. The article is to remind people that while Biden fared poorly at the debate, Trump was actually worse and is always worse. It seems to me that this is an honest point that underscores the need to vote Biden in this election, despite any of his shortcomings.
We are driving down a road and a semi is coming straight at us at 100 mph. We can either veer off the road and damage or even total our car on whatever is there, or we can say “I shouldn’t have to veer off the road, there should be a shoulder”, or even “I didn’t even want to take this route in the first place but my wife insisted” as the truck hits us head on. There’s no good option, but there’s a clear survival option.
To me it makes more sense to blame the weather than any person when it comes to voting patterns. But it would also make more sense to blame the Democratic party as a system than a single politician for a presidential loss.
Doesn’t it make the most sense to blame our election system that makes people feel like they don’t have enough choice or the ability to express their actual preference in an election?
The Democratic Party is a product of this flawed system. You can make things a bit better, but at the end of the day, you have to have a party that is a coalition of disparate groups that choose a single person who has to win it all. So, a candidate that super excites and energizes one faction of the coalition is likely to be very unappealing to other factions. And most of the time you’re going to end up with someone who nobody is actually excited for. It would be great if Democrats had a preferential/ranked voting system for determining that one candidate, which allowed for many candidates, and for those candidates to stay in the race without the risk of cannibalizing others (e.g. having both Warren and Bernie wouldn’t detract from either one). However, even this isn’t determined centrally by the party, as each state gets to do voting the way they want to. So, it’s not an easy problem to solve.
