Aren’t you supposed to plan appearances like this ahead of time to prevent this exact thing from happening?
Plan? The only plan they got is project 2025. I don’t think it spells out how to order donuts without acting weird.
Imagine ordering ANYTHING as vaguely as “some of this, some of that, whatever makes sense”.
“Sir, that’s not even a real order. I don’t have time for your bullshit.”
Reminds me of customers at the bank I used to work for who would want the teller to pick which account the money went into. Like bro, make an effort.
“Sweet, I’ll put it in mine!”
In his defense. And that’s the only time i will ever say that. The Dunkin Donuts around here will do a mixed dozen where the employee just puts 12 random flavors in the box. It’s possible he was expecting that.
The heritage foundation did serious planning.
Then they outsourced it to these guys, who didn’t do shit.
Imagine being born in a position of privledge, and never being told “no” in your entire life. Why would you ever make a plan when you make the subconscious assumption that everyone operates around what you want?
On a related note, this is why “Woke” is so offensive to people like JD Vance. “We were doing just fine before you people started complaining!” is an easy thought to have from the lap of luxuryn
Why would you ever make a plan when you make the subconscious assumption that everyone operates around what you want?
Because their whole life has been geared toward allowing them to believe they are entitled to everything.
As always, calling others “entitled” was pure projection.
from my understanding (and thats making the whole situation even more baffling) he grew up in a ohioan blue-collar family, which means he probably heard “no” more then enough.
especially regarding the family couch.
Planning is only as good as the planner. Sometimes you still end up giving a press conference at the wrong Four Seasons.
Oh for sure, happens all the time, was hardly of note even
[insert “Four Seasons Total Landscaping” reference]
they’re so full of themselves they cannot conceive of someone who doesn’t want to comply with them and get a moment of fame on TV. that person denying to be on camera probably destroyed his mood for the whole day as he wondered what he did- “there’s no way she hates me so much she doesn’t want to be seen on TV next to me… I’m famous!”
This clip proved to me that couchfucker Vance is definitely not “from the middle class”
Hes obviously never ordered donuts himself. No clue what they are, expects to walk in and get handed a box of glazed donuts and a box of mixed donuts, while people are amazed and happy to have “someone like him” in the store.
I mean… if all you ever did was buy donuts at a supermarket, you kind of would expect that.
I don’t buy a lot of donuts (personally not a big fan and they make for weird interactions at work) but when I do? My order is usually “Uh. Three or four boston creme, three or four jelly, and then whatever you have a lot of for the rest”. And I have definitely done the Dunkin run where it is “a box o joe and then two dozen of whatever donuts. Also <insert breakfast standwich here>.”
So I won’t fault couch fucker for having a hard time picking out donuts or basically just saying “I don’t care, just give me two dozen donuts. Feel free to pick the stale ones”. But it is more just the overall shitshow of it for not having someone run up ahead to make sure the store and staff were cool with it.
Story time! Back in… damn I guess it would have been 08? Obama and Biden were doing the “man of the people” bullshit. Incredibly blue region with strong ties to Biden so it was basically a freebie to record a few press bits. Was getting lunch and chatting with a buddy about all the cars on the street and the like when some 20-something year old girl in a suit comes in. She leans in and asks the person at the counter something and then comes around to the various tables to make small talk and ask leading but kind of inflammatory questions. She asked us what our views on abortion were (and, while I won’t repeat what my buddy said because it was definitely sexist, it was quite possibly the greatest failed pick-up line of all time). She then gets up and states something like “In five minutes, Obama and Biden will be walking through that door. We apologize for the inconvenience. As we get closer, anyone who does not want to be on camera will be directed to move over towards that wall. It will only be for ten minutes and we will pay for everyone’s meal, regardless of if you are on camera or not. Thank you”.
And, let me tell you? Buying lunch for a bunch of students goes a long way toward making for a warm reception. And while it was obvious they had been prepped on the menu, it was also obvious that this was the kind of food both future presidents ate semi-regularly. And it was obvious they had been prepped on which tables were likely avid democrats, which were republicans, and which were dumbass kids who were hitting on the point person for the casual “So, what can we do to earn your vote?” style bits.
But… that is kind of the thing. It is not a complicated bit of theatre. I am sure the approach has changed a bit (now that everyone has camera phones and tiktok) but it still holds true. Have someone run ahead to make sure you aren’t entering a hostile situation that will just make everyone look bad.
Everything blurs together and I am too lazy to google, but now I am wondering if that press event was specifically because everyone (of the republicans) were losing their god damned mind over the existence of a black man. Err, I mean Obama liking dijon mustard or something. So have him and his old white guy buddy eat some normal people food (because dijon mustard is insanely fancy, obviously).
I’m curious about these weird workplace donut interactions you’ve had.
Like I said, I am not a big fan of donuts. A lot of people aren’t. But there is the expectation that everyone should bow down to the person who brought them to the breakroom and join the mad rush when the email goes out and so forth. Not to mention that some people DO like donuts (more power to them) and might be polite enough to ask if anyone minds if they take a second one which has led to a few slack chats of everyone feeling the need to list that they had 1 and so forth. Which invariably reveals who didn’t have any and leads to “oh, are you on a diet”? level conversations that can make others feel self conscious about their weight.
Personally? I am a big fan of bringing a box to an early morning meeting or whatever. Absolutely hate bringing them to a breakroom or, for the truly deranged, walking them around an office.
Things have gotten a lot better in the past decade or so of “I don’t eat gluten” becoming ridiculously common. But I find it still puts people into unnecessarily awkward situations where one person might think it is a nothingburger of an interaction and someone else might take it as “Are you saying I am fat and need to go on a diet?”
I’ll be honest I think you’re overthinking this
Think whatever you want.
This is the kind of stuff that comes up when you are actually focusing on inclusiveness and discrimination in the workplace (rather than just checking a box for a federal requirement). Something as simple as passing CVs through OCR and standardizing the font (or using those god awful webforms) goes a long way because people genuinely do have an unconscious bias toward one style over another. Similar to evaluating people on things like “poise” or “articulateness”, that is just a REALLY good way to suddenly realize that you hired 90 of the same person.
And that also covers what kind of group activities you have at work. Because someone might seem “stand offish” because they don’t participate in a monthly pizza lunch because they don’t eat meat or just hate the chain the admin’s cousin owns. But now you put them in a position where someone else might think they are standoffish or “too socially awkward to work in a team” which can have career implications.
I’ve never been at a workplace that banned these practices. Likely because… it is a shitshow waiting to happen if anyone ever sees that email and posts online about how Innertrode bans donuts. But it is something that management and project leads are increasingly being made aware of to both curb their own unconscious bias and to avoid creating those kinds of situations in the first place.
Well… Good thing I don’t work in an office. I still think you are overthinking this. Bringing unconscious bias into this is clearly missing the mark. It’s free donuts, not a pizza party.
People don’t like working at an office. I know I didn’t, and I’m so glad I don’t anymore. It’s a small thing that brings a few people just a little bit more joy, and not at the expense of others.
I hate your workplace.
Just err towards too many donuts the first time, and then adjust downward as needed. It’s okay to throw out a few.
And then trust everyone else to be human. If one dude is taking five, someone will eventually give him a “dude, seriously?” and that should be enough. And if it’s not, try to deal with it person to person instead of sending a passive aggressive email about it to two dozen people.
I kinda need to hear the terrible pickup line, though.
The anecdote of the recon girl in the suit is one of the most interesting that I’ve read in some time. Totally makes sense that they would do that.
How do folks feel about whether that low level of deceit is appropriate?
When I think about the costs, I think maybe a couple people spent a couple minutes of their time giving opinions they might not have if they had had all the information up front. But tiny hurt feelings seems the biggest downside, I guess, which shouldn’t be too problematic.
Of course if the staffer told the whole truth, an activist could feign support to secure an interaction where they shout down the candidate on their pet issue (“a TAN suit, Barrack?!”).
Personally, I don’t see any deciet here.
Nobody claimed anything, someone just went around asking questions. Personally I wouldn’t care if a red hat came into my Cafe and asked questions like that, and I would give my very strong opinions exactly as I would to anyone else. If they said a republican was about to come in for a PR stunt, I would ask to speak to the owner, and if they’re actually cool with that the they have lost my business.
I still wouldn’t feel like the person who came in was being in nay way subversive.
Honestly if I ran across one of their candidates alone in the middle of the night I might feel the urge to deck them whether I act on it or not, but that exact thing is the reason they should go without stating the reason for the questions and visit fist thing. What if someone were just psychotic and armed? They could quite easily pretend to be the world’s largest supporter in order to get a seat at the next table over for a better shot, instead of the scout saying “that guy in the corner gave strange vibes, better put extra security over there or pass on this one”
Or someone might start throwing shoes…
Great point on safety. Was thinking kinda “lying through omission” but sold.
What an absolute weirdo. Choosing my (half-)dozen mixed donuts is one of the bigger joys of a donut run.
He’s the guy in the suburbs with the “cowboy up” stickered lifted fuel tuned diesel on 38’s that he’s upside down on payments on because he spent this months trust fund payout on cocaine and ED pills.
We all know that guy.
The guy with knotted tires run half-baked because he only drives it on paved roads, the dirtiest it gets is when it rains, and the most it’s ever hauled is a kids seat in the back. He was so close to buying a boat but always complains about gAs PrIcEs
I like how she asked not to be filmed and they filmed her anyway and then released it.
It really shows how much they care about a woman’s consent.
Could be even more sinister than that. Like if you think about it, why would they want to show that? It doesn’t show anything positive about his campaign or engagement, so releasing that footage won’t help him directly. But he is aware of how aggressive some of Trump’s supporters can be with people they hate. So I wonder if he decided to post that part of the video specifically to trigger the MAGAs that would harass (or worse) the business and/or employees.
We need some kind of group that can protect people like her.
Some kind of brotherhood pledged to enforce the law
That would be amazing.
I don’t know what the situation in the states is, but wouldn’t she be allowed to sue him for this, because they disrespected their privacy?
She should. It’s a “public” place, but it’s not like she chose to be there at that moment because she knew Vance was going to be there. She has no other choice than to be there, per the terms of her contract.
It really shows how much they care about a woman’s consent.
I don’t need consent from my TV in order to watch it.
Edit: Ran afoul of Poe’s Law. “Surely no one would actually believe I was serious right?”
Internet: Gestures broadlyAre you comparing a living breathing woman who’s doing her job to your TV? Like, you do know you need consent to film in a private establishment, right?
I dropped the /s
The point being they consider women to be objects so why would they care about her consent?Fair enough. I could definitely see a right wing fascist leaving that exact comment. It was very Matt Walshy. xD
To be fair, I don’t think Vance got consent from the couch either
“I’m JD Vance I’m running for vice president,” Vance said. “Good to see you.”
The employee sounds unmoved and replies with “okay” and waits for him to begin his order.
Does he expect people to get down on their knees after he tells them that?
“okay…”
silence
“I’m sorry but we don’t have any couch shaped donuts”
“Oh we’re prepared for this! One moment please!”
Call to the back: “Guys, we need the plastic cover for the couch, it’s a code V!”
“I’m sorry, our couch donuts aren’t glazed.”
JD Vance, tugging on his suddenly sweaty shirt collar: “Oh I think I can help out there.”
“I’m sorry, our couch donuts aren’t glazed.”
That’s ok. He prefers to do that part himself.
Or “okay…”
“Then it’s cash only…”
The “Please Clap” energy was intense nostalgic.
“What are your intentions with my donuts?”
I literally laughed
The “OK” crushed him. He was expecting any reaction and she could give 2 shits about him. Order your donuts and get the fuck out, ain’t nobody got time for your ass.
Imagine if she had a zinger loaded. “Yeah, you’re the running mate for ‘America’s Hitler.’”
Actually they probably got a bunch of reactions like that and “ok” was the one person that put him in the best light.
Simplicity is better in most cases. When someone has to tell you who they are and you respond “ok”. That is brutal. You are literally saying I don’t give a fuck
Kind of wish she had said, “That’s weird.”
My fantasy:,
“Not under Trump, right?”
“Actually…”
“Ewwww”
He must not have anyone competent on his staff if this happens. Usually they send people ahead to check to see if the people working there want to be on camera and talk
Maybe they did and this was the most acceptable place. I imagine most decent restaurants have rules about fornicating with the furniture, so it really limits your options when you are a known couch fucker.
Most restaurants don’t have those rules until someone does it, then the rule is put in place.
Every sign has its history…
maybe aides all hate him.
If he had competent staff they would have stopped him from being Trump’s running mate.
To be fair he’s the Heritage Foundation’s guy to make sure that a Trump Administration actually gets Project 2025 work done. I forget what position he previously held with the Heritage Foundation but its pretty dang obvious that’s the whole point of selecting him for Trump’s VP
Heritage Foundation people were woven throughout the previous admin and the Supreme Court, and would be in a second admin, but vance is there as peter thiel’s lapdog and surrogate. He’s there to make sure that private equity and certain tech figures (like musk) are protected and taken care of. Thiel is also good friends with Ann coulter to the point that she dedicated a book to him (which should LOUDLY tell you something).
“One dozen glazed, one dozen assorted”.
It’s not that hard, damn.
And props to the employee refusing to be used as a prop for this couch molester.
Who they released a video of anyway, right after telling her they wouldn’t.
Pretty sure she can sue them lol
Throw it onto the pile.
not the focus of ths video but along with many appearances, I’ve never heard him laugh like a human being.
are you fucking kidding me, making fun of Harris laughing when this guy’s mouth does what i can only assume is an arcane incantation meant to awaken elder horrors from their timeless slumber?
Isn’t it weird the Republican nominees don’t laugh like most people?I haven’t watched much of Vance to notice this but since they’re ragging on Harris for laughing I bet that’s a big bullet point to avoid when he’s in public.
Emotions are difficult for them outside of fear and anger over “everything wrong with this country”. They don’t like public display of emotion, as evidenced by their sharp criticism of Walz’ son Gus crying at the convention. They do seem pretty happy to inflict suffering where they can.
I actually don’t think I’ve seen Vance express what seemed to be one single genuine emotion. Even his “anger” feels and sounds manufactured. The one time I felt anything genuine from him was when he was telling the story about how he told his son to shut the hell up about pokemon
Isn’t it weird the Republican nominees don’t laugh like most people?
It’s because they’re sociopaths, but not the well adjusted kind that can blend into society.
More than 50% of republicans have begun an address to a crowd/reporter with, “Look, we all kill dogs sometimes…”
Has tRump ever laughed? I can’t recall ever seeing a clip of him laughing. I bet when he does, it’s to something horrible happening to women & children
something horrible happening to women & children
The closest I’ve seen to genuine happiness is the video of him laughing with Jeffrey Epstein, so yeah, that checks out.
He punches down in his ‘jokes’, and laughs at other people’s misery rather than when it’s in good humour. How anyone can vote for a politician that can’t laugh at themselves let alone a good joke is a mystery to me.
have you seen him at his roast? he was not liking it.
I’ve seen him with that smug prick smirk of his but that’s about it outta me dawg
A smirk that is a punchable.
If angels existed, they would each and every one weep tears of joy when she said, “…okay.”
We need a Tim Walz donut shop clip with the consent of all the employees being filmed
Tim Walz buying individual donuts for each customer and his entourage with him engaging with everyone.
“we got consent from all the people in the video.”
“That lady clearly did not consent.”
“we got consent from all the people in the video.”
This is the closest I could find:
“I’m running for vice president!”
“Sir, this is a Wendys.”
I’m kind of a big deal
Please clap.
The only thing he could make conversation about was how old the business was and how long they worked at the donut shop. Aren’t politicians supposed to be charismatic?
Like he was figuring out who he could get fired afterwards for not worshipping him.
He didn’t even ask them what their favorite donut was or about [local sports team] newest season. Pandering isn’t hard, why is he so lazy?
It’s hard because he doesn’t give two shits
What would you recommend? What are some popular donuts? Hell, he could’ve said to give him a good variety.
Vance is the embodiment of cringe. He’s been hanging out in Silicon Valley with Peter Thiel for so long that he’s forgotten how to even pretend to be a normal person.
Is he buddies with Thiel? Didn’t think he could be more of a scum bag
He’s his venture capitalist
Peter Thiel bankrolled JD’s political career.
All these tech bro billionaires are trying to remake America into their weird little libertarian fantasy land.
Wow, what a charismatic guy, that wasn’t painful to watch at all…
Totally normal small talk, “how long you worked here? How long has this place been open? How about you how long have you worked here? Yeah? Good. How long? Good.”
Confirmed lizard person.
“I don’t want to be on film.” Is put on film.
Exactly! Don’t turn off the cameras, just audibly proclaim the footage will be edited not to include her.
…So anyway, here’s the footage including her
Don’t ask if anyone’s ever tried fucking the donuts. Don’t ask if anyone’s ever tried fucking the donuts.
“Hasanyoneevertriedfuckingthedonuts??”
"Uhhh… Let’s try this again, Vance. This time, maybe just ask people a simple question. Like, ‘how long have you worked here?’ Or, ‘how long has this place been open?’
