They also taste way better than store-bought ones.
Also one of the easier garden vegetables (yes, vegetable, fight me) to plant. Great for beginners.
It’s a fruit, you donut.
Serious question: do people on team fruit also call other “culinary vegetables” fruits, such as cucumbers, zucchini, corn, eggplants, bell peppers, green beans, etc.?
Depends on context? If I’m talking about the fruit on the plant, yes. If it’s in my kitchen, no, that’d be silly 🙄
I’ve been told that beans are an especially magical fruit.
Especially if you know how to flick it
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Flick it to stick it!
I don’t mind calling all of those things fruit. It seems people get really weird about making savoury meals out of fruit. Like I know a tomato is a fruit, I put tomato on pizza, I never once while making pizza have a thought about whether a vegetable or a fruit is going on my pizza. It’s just a tomato, it can swing both ways.
I prefer polysemy. There is a very useful category of “edible plants typically used in savory dishes”. Imagine someone being upset with you because you brought green beans when they asked for a side of vegetables.
I don’t see the point in taking the botanical definition of fruit and pretending it’s useful in the culinary world.
fruits are a vegetable
Not botanically or culinary, but don’t let that get in the way of how you feel.
Fruiitt fruiittt
F u fruit
Fruits come from the flowering part of the plant and contain seeds, whereas vegetables are other parts of the plant (leaves, stems, roots, bulbs). They’re fruit.
But that’s not mutually exclusive with vegetables. Vegetable is not a botanical designation. Whether it’s a vegetable or not depends on how it’s typically used in cooking. Cucumbers, zuccini, and green beans all fall into the same category of being both.
They say knowledge is knowing that tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
Yes yes. Salsa, tomato based fruit salad, we know.
Seriously. They barely taste like the same ‘fruit’.
And they stay fresh pretty much as long as you want them to.
Gardening is a hobby. You don’t do it to get cheap fruits and veggies.
The results speak for themselves though, and you absolutely cannot beat a tomato right off the vine.
Store bought tomatoes seem to taste more fucking bland every year. Like I have to spend $6 per small bag to get “gourmet” tomatoes to even taste like a tomato. It’s actually infuriating. I grow tomatoes now literally not to save money but just because grocery store tomatoes (at least in my area) are trash.
Store tomatoes are not tomatoes. Unless you’re buying somewhere legit and expensive af, the tomatoes you see in stores are picked green and gassed to turn red. They are dog shit. Probably worse, actually. Seek out local farms near you and get the good shit (and often cheaper than places like whole foods).
Tomatoes are one thing I never buy in a store, except sauce/canned tomatoes, as those products are derived from ripe tomatoes.
Just buy canned tomatoes from Italy - they’re amazing!
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A tomato straight from the vine is basically candy 🍅🤤
Depends on where you live. If you live in Italy, you can just throw random shit around your house and a couple of months later you will crap loads of free food!
We had 1/2 acre and planted a bunch of things, ate for free. Water was from a well so not even a water bill. Best tasting veg ever. Potatoes though, those are hard labour.
Can you grow all year round where you are? If I had half an acre where I live I think half of my growing area would have to be a greenhouse.
Where I live now we probably could, but land ia too expensive here. But land in Ontario was cheap and only for summer since winters were harsh
You can beat a tomato off in many ways 😏
Hmm. Name one.
Cocaine
And you know what’s even better? Those fresh peas.
tell this to everyone giving advice to people in poverty
The best we can do is learn and inform, while being empathetic and understanding.
For those who can garden, great!
For those who can’t, might consider joining a community garden or help start one.
This is also not possible for everyone, but from my own experience, community garden communities do free lessons to help and teach new people.
Coming together around a common good, that is what we can do.
Honestly, with my raised beds, between compost, seeds and fertilizer I probably lose money compared to buying tomatoes from the store. Home grown garden tomatoes are 10x better quality than grocery store tomatoes.
Not to mention the cost of watering.
Collect the condensed water from the aircon.
I live in Ireland, we don’t pay for water (or even waste water out like they do in Germany), but the rain has been non-stop this year with the gulf stream. I’ve also just intalled a water butt out of a 500l repurposed whiskey barrel (again, Ireland) so that also helps with not having to use the hose (they call it the hose pipe)
That’s what rain barrels are for
Honestly, with my raised beds, between compost, seeds and fertilizer I probably lose money compared to buying tomatoes from the store. Home grown garden tomatoes are 10x better quality than grocery store tomatoes.
Bro I been growing edamame. Holy fucking shit. You’ll fucking cum.
Yeah but then what do I do with the leftover edamame?
yeah? our light is very poor in our back garden. the only thing that thrives, that I’ve found, is gerkins, so thats what we grow. tiny cucumbers, and we pickle them.
we tried regular peas and beans, and it was OK, but there was so little fruit at one time we became completely confused as to how anyone could have enough for a whole serving at any one time.
Whats your light situation like with the edamame? do you just boil/salt them and eat them like you would in a japanese restaurant?
Soybeans. You’ve been growing soybeans.
Is edamame specifically when it’s in food form?
There are lots of different foods made from soybeans, like tofu and tempeh. Edamame is young, whole soybeans cooked in their pods.
TIL
Ah good to know, thanks!
Its a specific dish.
I think the person knows their own garden better than some rando lol
Edamame is soybeans.
Soybeans is edamame.
And Zendaya is Meechee.
Ive been telling people egg is egg for a long time https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f7/c5/f6/f7c5f6fa35da9a45e43ec4e1424bfb81.jpg
“Your little nutsacks are gonna be quacking buddy.”
I should do that next year. Grow a bunch of stuff for the first time hydroponically this year and it has been fun. Even though the pruning gods would murder me if they saw my tomatoes.
And if ever there is a day you can’t buy tomatoes for whatever reason, you will have them.
we actually switched to gerkins. so, if theres ever a day where we can’t buy pickels, we’d have them, but not the pickling ingredients as we can’t grow our own vinegar
When gardens are being raided due to mass starvation, people will go to your house and say, “Pickles, GROSS!” They will move on and your house will be spared.
good thing I’m not growing cheeseburgers
What I would give for a cheeseburger tree.
You can! You just need a vinegar mother! I’ve not done it myself, but the way I understand it you can transfer the mother once the vinegar is to your liking, then on to the next one.
I had a look and its like a red liver looking thing? I’m not sure I’m prepared for this
Sure, but if you keep the same plot, over time that cost will average out.
It’s not about the money!!
Growing tomatoes is awesome once you have the right stakes & cages, but when end rot hits ya, and ruins your entire crop, months of watching those little buds grow, it will break your fucking heart
God damn. That would be like buying a new pet like a kitten or something and then a year later finding out you can’t eat it.
the system depends on you only being able to do one thing effectively, and needing to pay other people to do all the things you need but can’t do. When you do that, you have to go through several layers of government and corporate bureaucrats who all squeeze you for a little bit extra just because they’ve positioned themselves between you and what you need to live. To be self-sufficient is to cut all of these middlemen out from between you and the necessities of life. Gardening is a revolutionary act, it’s propaganda of the deed writ small.
so basically you would prefer to live alone in a forest
The problem isn’t living together, it’s the people that exploit others based on that fact. People can live together without exploiting each other - that’s what a commune is.
that other post was talking about having ANYONE in between what you need to live and you
and you, my good sir, would like to live in a forest with your friends, just like me
and i say ‘with your friends’ because we all know it wouldnt work in a scale larger than a dozen people
No I just want rid of exploitative systems like capitalism and imperialism. Have you never heard of things like the kibtuzim in Israel? Unlike the Soviet Union they have actual working socialism bordering on communism. I don’t think they live in forests.
Communes can scale above the level your suggesting to at least hundreds if not thousands of people. If it can’t scale above that I still don’t see that as a real problem because communes can work with each other, possibly using a different trading system between them.
Edit: There are several socialist/communist economic systems that have been theorised that have communities interacting using a system that is separate from how individuals interact economically like decentralised centralised planning. In a system like that you have the local government/committee control the local economy and then have governments from different areas trade with each other on behalf of their citizens.
There are also systems that don’t use communes at all such as socialist market economy. Here workers all have a share in the business they work for and get profit shares.
would I prefer it? probably not, there’s stuff I can’t/don’t know how to do that I quite like.
Does that lifestyle involve the least amount of exploiting and being exploited? Absolutely.
Do they think they have to sit and watch them grow?..
Too many people think growing shit also takes a lot of effort. Nah, literally just plant shit, weed once, then wait. You literally don’t even have to water in most areas lol.
People think gardening or farming takes a lot of effort. It does if you want a pretty little area that’s more eye pleasing. But if you just want food? Put seeds in. Wait. Food lol. Might not be the greatest harvest but any seed you’d buy at a store is hearty as fuck now.
Edit: Holy shit, yes guys. People on the internet live in the desert and even Antarctica too. My comment wasn’t meant for you contrarian buttwipes lol. It was meant for anyone who doesn’t live in a hellhole and has access to a little land lol. And even in those hellholes and places with shitty soil, it’s just because you’re trying to grow shit not meant for there lol.
This comment is brought to you by someone living in a temperate area, with land that they have access to, that also doesn’t scorch everything that tries to grow.
A lot of people think growing shit takes a lot of effort because it does for them.
That being said, hydroponics is a very nice option that works for me.
Hydroponics and the accessibility to it makes things even easier. On demand veggie snacks, right in my room? Yes please.
Fuck yes. Though I grow outside.
On the other hand, I’ve been expanding and fiddling my system all summer long for god know how many hours. That reminds me that my nute res is almost empty…
I don’t know what your neck of the woods is like but here in “High altitude misery land, were subsoil is the only soil in your yard and it’ll freeze in June because fuck you” it’s a struggle to get anything out of the garden.
This year, something went wrong with the peppers and tomatoes I started indoors (I suspect the potting soil) and they never grew over 1.5 inches tall, even after they were hardened off and planted outdoors in proper soil. As such, I bought a pepper and a tomato from a retail store. The pepper is still only about a foot tall, but the tomato was actually bushing out fairly well, about 4’ tall… and then something ate it down to maybe 3’-2.5’-ish. The squash I started indoors did much better and survived hardening off well. After I put them into the garden the earwigs actually waited a whole week to eat them down to stumps. And I absolutely need to water… it takes about two days for the plants to start wilting.
My garden makes me appreciate the supermarket every year.
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Tomatoes are too fickle as far as I’m concerned. I grow all kinds of stuff, but never have luck with tomatoes. The flowers don’t pollinate without vibration, they need temperatures in a tight range to fruit, basically every pest on earth destroys them, just not worth it to me anymore. Which is a shame because I love them, but I’m basically over growing tomatoes.
I have like six different tomato plants growing out of jars (started as seeds) hydroponically. They take almost no effort. It’s actually super easy to grow them if you eliminate nature from the process lol.
Yeah, maybe I’ll try that when I have a greenhouse.
The tight temperature range is something I very much agree with you on. I think climate conducive to their growth play a big factor in disease immunity as well. I’ve seen them thrive like weeds in sub tropical regions. But for some reason, even in controlled conditions, they fail to do that well here in my area.
I always attributed more to soil and sun, because I grow great tomatoes easily in my garden every year. This year I did have to fertilize a few times, and they are only ripening now. I’m on the Canadian Prairies so not exactly subtropical. And I’m not that good a gardener either, cucumbers are often a struggle for me and my beets always get demolished by birds. And it’s been a good 4 years of various weather here and still, nice tomatoes. I wonder if there are some more locally adapted strains you could try?
Going for some locally adapted strains is a great idea. Thanks for that! I’m actually a terrible gardener so I hadn’t thought of it. I just used what little seeds my neighbour gave me, and in limited area because I tend to prioritise fruits over veggies and they are what dominate most of my garden. The little space I experimented with tomatoes on is currently occupied by legumes.
Dude, I grow tomatoes in a 4’ x 6’ plot of dirt by the sidewalk in Montreal with zero tending and I have more tomatoes than I know what to do with every year. What are you doing so wrong?
Living in a place with much hotter summers.
I would think that would benefit them, being native to the area around the equator.
When you say zero tending, are you even watering them? Asking for a friend who knows fuck all about street tomatoes.
If they are in the ground they only need one good watering a week after they get established. In containers you need to water more.
I was exaggerating a little. I tied them to sticks and removed the useless branches/leaves. I watered the first week and nothing since.
“What message?”
“Oh it says ‘fuck farmers’ but it’s only visible from the air.”
It is more about independence and taking part in growing what you eat.
Some are more inclined and others do not have a inkling for it.
Nothing about the farmers. In fact, I would propose that our farmers need more independence from greedy companies and gov’t interference.
The farmers and community should have a bigger say on the matter. Instead of having bigger and bigger farms that are becoming just like big greedy corporations.
No fault to the farmers and the like, this is due to the muscle of corps./gov’t/lobbiest making things worse then they should.
Joining together, as common folk, against greed and the wealthy class should be our focus.
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absolutely this. I see so many people who look at the very real possibility of economic instability, even in the temporary case, and are sure that the three most important things to get through it are guns, guns and guns. Some of them, maybe, know a little first aid. So I’ve made it a thing for me to be the guy in the apocalypse that can do a little bit of everything else. Canning, winemaking, cheesemaking, all the other various ways that people have figured out how to preserve food, and basic gardening and herb lore. I’m networking with people who know how and what to forage, nurses who know what basic supplies would be needed to treat minor injuries and diseases and how they can be improvised with what’s to hand, and other like-minded people. Everyone is sure that in order to survive they’re gonna need to be self-sufficient rugged individualists and that it’s mostly gonna involve raiding and repelling raiders but if you look at times of uncertainty the people who actually survive know how to generate food and medicine from nothing and have small, tightly knit communities where they know and take care of one another. If your plan for economic uncertainty is just guns you’re gonna end up dead of a bacterial infection next to a pile of guns. If, however, you know how to make soap from fat and ash, and have a sensible number of guns with which to acquire animal fat, and can generate food from the dirt, you’re a lot more likely to actually do well. Economic uncertainty isn’t going to be an action film.
This “me and a pile of guns” mindset is slowly changing. Covid and civil unrest helped a lot of people from all walks of life start thinking about these things for the first time or with a needed dose of reality.
They are realizing that it’s not one person or one family with guns, but your larger community with larger needs. You all will have to obtain food, water, medical supplies etc. Like it or not guns, related gear and associated skills are an important piece of the puzzle, but not the entire puzzle. If your community is doing well, it will be a tempting target for all kinds of reasons. Remember that at the very best your usual first responders will be very slow to respond.
It won’t be fighting all the time, even full blown war involves a bunch of boredom. You’ll be doing the hard work taking care of your needs. You’ll probably have a pistol on you, and rifles+kit nearby to grab quickly if needed.
Growing weed saves a lot of money tbh
Besides weed, is there anything profitable to grow at home?
Beats taking care of a flower, all the work and you’re not even supposed to eat it?
I grew these morning glories and by jove Im gonna eat these morning glories!
Oh no, those make you puke if you just eat em, gotta make a tincture or something from the seeds to extract the good shit.
Maybe it would be a good idea to collaborate with neighbours or friends or such, economies of scale and whatnot.
